sleekjet
Posts: 2006
Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2001 1:35 am

Going To The Hangar.

Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:20 am

When, for instance, AA sends a 777 to the hangar at DFW for maintenance, is a pilot recruited to "drive" it there? How does the pilot feel about such an inconvienence?
II Cor. 4:17-18
 
avioniker
Posts: 1099
Joined: Tue Jan 01, 2002 5:38 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:26 am

There are a number of Maintenance Personnel qualified to taxi aircraft.
One may educate the ignorance from the unknowing but stupid is forever. Boswell; ca: 1533
 
avioniker
Posts: 1099
Joined: Tue Jan 01, 2002 5:38 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:28 am

Actually, you might be surprised to find how many mechanics have commercial pilots' licenses in their wallets.
I was flying for ten years before I went to fixing (professionally).
One may educate the ignorance from the unknowing but stupid is forever. Boswell; ca: 1533
 
sleekjet
Posts: 2006
Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2001 1:35 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:45 am

How cool must it feel for one of them to be in the captain's seat. Must be how I'd feel in an Indy car.
II Cor. 4:17-18
 
avt007
Posts: 1989
Joined: Mon Jul 10, 2000 4:51 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:24 am

Typically the a/c would be towed-cheaper, easier, less potential for problems.
 
EMBQA
Posts: 7795
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:52 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:02 am

Well, at American Eagle, maintenance will taxi the aircraft from the gate to the hanger if needed...Why..? Because its not in the pilots contract. When I was up in BGR, and when Eagle took over from BEX, the Eagle flight crews would just leave the plane at the gate and MX would have to taxi if over to the hanger. The funny part about it was......The crews would then have to walk over to the hanger to get their car...!!!

It's also not as 'cool' as you would think it is. At a busy airport you have a lot going on around you and a lot to look out for....all the while operating a several million dollar piece of company asset.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
 
erj-145mech
Posts: 305
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2001 4:21 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:20 pm

On the plus side, we get $1/hr premium for "run/taxi" qualification. That works out to about $2,080/yr, not exactly chicken feed, for driving an airplane around the airport. At IAH, the company uses mini super tugs to re-position the international ERJ arrivals from the customs ramp to the gate. They used to pay the crews 45 minutes for an international reposition, 30 minutes for a domestic repo.
 
avioniker
Posts: 1099
Joined: Tue Jan 01, 2002 5:38 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:20 pm

No premium at AA and I don't know any sane mechanic who'd want to tow anything to or from the DFW hanger between 0500 and 0200.
One may educate the ignorance from the unknowing but stupid is forever. Boswell; ca: 1533
 
flyingbronco05
Posts: 3484
Joined: Fri May 10, 2002 11:43 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:49 pm

HANGAR guys, not HANGER.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

And yes, mechanics will usually tow the bigger planes but some do taxi it over to maintenance with only one engine running.

FB05
Never Trust Your Fuel Gauge
 
atlamt
Posts: 244
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2001 12:15 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:07 am

We taxi all the time. With both engines running. A lot of repairs need an engine run to confirm a fix. If it calls for more than an idle run we taxi the plane to the run-up area where we can take the engines to takeoff power.

Most of the planes going to the hangar are towed by supertug if it's available.
Fwd to MCO and Placard
 
LMP737
Posts: 4800
Joined: Wed May 08, 2002 4:06 pm

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:10 am

At ORD towing aircraft from the terminal to the hanger is not allowed unless there is something preventing the aircraft from taxiing safely.
Never take financial advice from co-workers.
 
NKP S2
Posts: 1665
Joined: Mon Dec 20, 1999 3:16 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:36 am

---"At ORD towing aircraft from the terminal to the hanger is not allowed unless there is something preventing the aircraft from taxiing safely."

Same thing at CLT. We do lots and lots of it. Taxi rather than tow, unless the plane is mechanically unfit, due to the fact an active runway must be crossed and a slow moving plane under tow would screw up the fluidity of ground movements on taxiways in general.

 
Guest

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:48 am

Oh, as pilots (hardly ever happens) we do not mind taxi airplanes for maintenance.
By being called from home or hotel to go to airport, we get credit for 3 hours flying.
With Aerolineas Argentinas we have two dozens of mechanics fully qualified to taxi airplanes.
We sometimes get these guys in simulators to qualify them to run the systems correctly.
Some can taxi all types, some can only do certain type of aircraft.
The only thing they cannot do is high speed runs on the runway - for that they need a pilot.
xxx
Happy contrails  Smile
(s) Skipper
 
E1FAIL
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed Jan 01, 2003 7:36 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:50 am

On the plus side, we get $1/hr premium for "run/taxi" qualification.

Who do you work for ERJ?
 
E1FAIL
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed Jan 01, 2003 7:36 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:51 am

Hey EMBQA, is there any way through here to E-Mail you?
 
AAR90
Posts: 3140
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2000 11:51 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:45 am

When, for instance, AA sends a 777 to the hangar at DFW for maintenance, is a pilot recruited to "drive" it there?

Normally, no. Requires a complete flight plan (same as an actual flight) for an AA pilot to taxi an AA aircraft.

How does the pilot feel about such an inconvienence?

Everybody is different. An AA pilot will be paid flight pay as if it was an actual flight [i.e. "out-to-in"] with a minimum 2 hours "call-out" pay if he is called out while on reserve status. For me the 2-hr. minimum makes the frustrating (SoCal traffic) trip to the airport only slightly less so.
*NO CARRIER* -- A Naval Aviator's worst nightmare!
 
EMBQA
Posts: 7795
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:52 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:54 am

E1Fail......Why ask..? do we know each other....?
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
 
AAR90
Posts: 3140
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2000 11:51 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:00 am

Hey EMBQA, is there any way through here to E-Mail you?

Click on User Profile...
Under E-mail click on contact
That should open an airliners.net email program allowing you to type an email to the user while protecting the user's email address --seemed to work everytime I've used it.

If you see withheld then the answer to your question is... NO.
*NO CARRIER* -- A Naval Aviator's worst nightmare!
 
SlamClick
Posts: 9576
Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:09 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:05 pm

Once, while sitting reserve at a hotel in-domicile I got called out to do a high-speed taxi. It was the only "flying" I did that particular duty period.

The mechanics were qualified to taxi but this was a run down the runway up to eighty knots or so.
Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
 
E1FAIL
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed Jan 01, 2003 7:36 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:56 pm

E1Fail......Why ask..? do we know each other....?

Yea, I think so. I tried to send you an A-Net E-Mail (thanks AAR90).

Let me know if I guessed correctly and I will send you my E-Mail address the same way.
 
erj-145mech
Posts: 305
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2001 4:21 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:11 pm

"Username: E1FAIL
From United States, joined Dec 2002, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply: 13
Posted Wed Dec 3 2003 18:50:01 UTC+1 and read 139 times:
On the plus side, we get $1/hr premium for "run/taxi" qualification.

Who do you work for ERJ? "

ExpressJet


 
E1FAIL
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed Jan 01, 2003 7:36 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:23 am

ERJ-145mech....

Ahh...

How are your negotiations going? You are in talking right?
 
erj-145mech
Posts: 305
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2001 4:21 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:59 am

We've taken care of the mundane stuff, got to the nitty gritty, management offered a rediculously low amount, we countered, they suggested that we take a break until after the holidays.

Management doesn't have a reason to come to a speedy conclusion, but after january, the retro will kick in.
 
E1FAIL
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed Jan 01, 2003 7:36 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Fri Dec 05, 2003 3:36 pm

"We've taken care of the mundane stuff, got to the nitty gritty, management offered a rediculously low amount, we countered, they suggested that we take a break until after the holidays.

Management doesn't have a reason to come to a speedy conclusion, but after january, the retro will kick in."


What is your top-out now? How long is the scale?

What were the proposals like?
 
airplay
Posts: 3369
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:58 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:52 am

Well at the airline I work for, the mechanics take off and fly the airplanes to the hangar...and then work on the engines WHILE they are running...in the air. Of course we don't fly too high during maintenance. Nobody wants to get hurt if we fall off the wing or something...

 Smile

 
CanadianNorth
Posts: 3133
Joined: Sat Aug 24, 2002 11:41 am

RE: Going To The Hangar.

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:08 pm

The only things going from terminal to hangar here are Air North planes. They have this funky loader thats rigged up for towing a/c for that last i seen. Sometimes they use this, and other times they just hop in fire up n engine and taxi over.


CanadianNorth

[Edited 2003-12-06 06:10:14]
What could possibly go wrong?

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 16 guests