lehpron
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Afterburners On A Citation?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:06 pm

A friend told me that there is a version of a Citation X with afterburners. I really have not found pictures for it anywhere or if it exists. Supposedly the burners are for just above Mach cruise (i do not know how with that shape) and climbing out of the airfield fast enough so that it may not be as noisy or something.

Personally I am pretty close to not believing him outright, his bias is that he loves the Citation X, he might believe anything...

>> to my friend: I'm not harping on you, I just need to believe in it; that shape is not best for that speed, I can't just buy into it so easily.
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L-188
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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:16 pm

Ok.....

This sounds less believable to my plan to stick T-38 motors on a Lear 25.

They have the same basic powerplant, just added burners.

I dont' think there is a developed burner for the Allisons.
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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:39 pm

Lehpron:

I think you're right about the shape. According to Cessna's website the airspeed limit for the Citation X is Mach 0.92. Even if you did put afterburners on it (which would be cool as hell, BTW) you'd probably fly it to pieces before you reached Mach 1.

--Shane

P.S. While working at VNY, I sometimes saw the exhaust of a Lear 25 glow at night as it if was afterburning (complete with shock diamonds, too!). Could something similar on the Citation X be the cause of the afterburner speculation?
 
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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:52 pm

I seriously doubt that there's a Citation X out there with afterbuners. Since the intakes on the X are not designed for supersonic flight it would make little sense to have burners on them.
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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:52 am

those old lears will put out 20ft blue flames when the fuel comes on at startup, too.

It has scared the fsck out of me on multiple occasions

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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:24 am

I remember see a drawing of a Citation with flames shooting out the back of each engine a la supersonic fighter. It was meant as a joke. Perhaps this is what your friend saw and took it literally.


 
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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:51 am

AAAAh, NO....... There is no model of the Allison/Rolls Royce AE3007 that offers afterburner.
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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:28 am

They aren't afterburners; they are rocket engines. This is the suborbital version of the Citation X; the fully orbital version will have two XLR-99 engines.
 
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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:55 am

Does anyone have a picture of the 20 ft. Blue Flames lear?
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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:14 pm

There is a Citation model that is known as a "Munson Burner"...but that's a whole other story....

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After burner? NFL. (not friggen likely)


 
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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:59 pm

Haven't see 20 feet, seen 10 foot blue flames.

Also say that one time on the center engine of a Falcon 50.
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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:59 pm

Go out to an airport when it's about 20 degrees or less outside and you might just see an old 20 series lear spitting that flame during the day. Emb-145s also can also shoot a nice little flame out of the APU, some of Trans States' planes do it on a regular basis
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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:14 pm

I just took an island hop in a Citation X from HNL to KOA, and on takeoff, it sure as hell felt like there were afterburners! I guess since I was the only passenger, we were pretty light. I swear we reached VR in less than 15 seconds and were rocketing up like an F-16. Before takeoff, I asked the Captain what she was capable of and DAMN! Did he show me!

Nothing like cruising island to island at 13,000 ft and at 500 mph.

Definitely, my favorite in bizjet.

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RE: Afterburners On A Citation?

Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:49 am

" swear we reached VR in less than 15 seconds"

LOL, that's not really that fast for a little jet. But I can imagine it felt like a rocket! I wanna fly in a citation X! Big grin


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