tarzanboy
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Entry Requirements For initial flying job in UPS or FEDEX?

Thu Dec 25, 2003 2:30 pm

hi...

what are the entry requirements for an initial flying job in UPS or FEDEX??

lets say, flying as a flight engineer....
 
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RE: What Are The Requirements To Enter This Line?

Thu Dec 25, 2003 3:18 pm

These days: Alot of hours (5-7000, several thousand turbine PIC)....previous experience as a captain in an airline or military experiece... and knowing someone there.
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jutes85
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RE: What Are The Requirements To Enter This Line?

Thu Dec 25, 2003 3:19 pm

For FedEx:

Current requirements:

Commercial Pilot Certificate with Multi-engine and Instrument rating (without limitations)

Current ATP Certificate or written

Current FE Turbojet Rating or written (FEX or Basic/turbojet)

Must pass FAA mandated drug screen

Recency and type of experience is considered

Meet requirements for and currently hold First Class Medical certification

Bachelor's Degree or equivalent from an accredited college or university

Eligibility for rapid visa issuance, issued by offices in the United States to fly to any FedEx destination.

Ability to obtain clearance from United States Postal Service for handling or access to U.S. mail, which includes FBI fingerprint check, and candidate must have resided in the United States for the last five consecutive years (except for U.S. military assignments)

Eligibility for issuance of US Security Clearance

1500 hours total fixed-wing time as pilot-in command (PIC) or first officer (SIC) including a minimum 1000 hours PIC in fixed-wing jet, fixed wing multi-engine turbo-prop, or multi-engine recip over 20,000 LBGW or combination thereof.
Note: PIC for this purpose is defined as Captain/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls.
Note: FedEx considers only pilot time in fixed wing aircraft toward minimum qualifications. This does not include simulator, helicopter, flight engineer, bombardier, navigator, RIO, EWO, WSO, NFO, or Special Crew.

All certificates and ratings required to be U.S.A. FAA issued
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RE: What Are The Requirements To Enter This Line?

Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:10 am

It should also be said: They have to be hiring at the time. The hiring of new pilot classes here in the US is not a continuous thing. FedEx and UPS seem to be very much like the "major" airlines in their hiring standards.

Also the flying time requirements above are the minimum to be considered. Being competetive may require even larger numbers. Flight engineer may be the entry-level job but it is not a destination. I may be wrong but I don't think they hire professional (non-pilot) flight engineers anymore.


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RE: What Are The Requirements To Enter This Line?

Fri Dec 26, 2003 3:25 am

To add to this, a vast majority of the FEs I've seen lately that fly for a big carrier look to be over the FAA mandated 60 years of age. Many pilots revert to flying sideways when they hit that age because engineers are not affected by it(higer age maybe?). I would too if I had a choice between flying and not flying.
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RE: What Are The Requirements To Enter This Line?

Fri Dec 26, 2003 4:04 am

I thought FedEx only hired ex Air Force and Navy pilots? Can someone clarify? Thanks.
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RE: What Are The Requirements To Enter This Line?

Sat Dec 27, 2003 2:03 am

KYIPpilot

Absolutely not true. Common misconception. Many people think that all airlines hire only, or hire 90% former military. Just not true in the last ten to fifteen years.

In the first place, in recent years there has been no great pool of ex-military pilots to draw from. Some time in the 1990's the military "right-sized" and let go a great number of their pilots. Pilot training in the military is way down, especially compared with the Vietnam era. Active duty committment following pilot training is longer than ever and so there are just not great numbers of them available.

On the other hand, around the 1980's airlines stopped hiring only 29-year-old clones and began hiring pilots as old as 50 or even more. Age commensurate with experience of course.

Factor in the explosion of commuter airlines, corporate jets, and freight dog feeders and there was a sizable pool of pilots with good numbers in civil aviation. They outnumber ex-military in just about every new-hire class now.

Military pilots enjoyed a hiring advantage only because they were all college grads and had good training and experience. They knew how to study and how to wear a necktie.

If you meet the criteria, go ahead and apply.

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RE: Entry Requirements For Initial Flying Job In UPS Or Fedex?

Sat Dec 27, 2003 11:46 am

My new-hire class at FedEx consisted mainly of ex-military pilots but there where five us civilian pukes out of 25 total in the class. The key to getting hired is first of all having the minimum qualifications and second having an internal recommendation. I've known a few guys that didn't have a letter of rec but that's certainly not the norm around here. I hope that helps. Take care.

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RE: Entry Requirements For Initial Flying Job In UPS Or Fedex?

Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:55 am

I don't see the reason for the Bachelor's Degree to be hired as a pilot  Insane fortunately in UK it isn't so important.
 
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RE: Entry Requirements For Initial Flying Job In UPS Or Fedex?

Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:28 am

Ba299

That has been debated here in the USA also. At one time when NW was actively recruiting pilots the 4-year degree was listed twice among the required qualifications. Wish I'd kept that ad. Here in the US there are several arguments in favor of pilots having a four-year degree. The first two are no longer necessarily true.

  • Knows how to study to high standards. (Except that college students now commonly hire people to write their papers for them. So common as to be a cottage industry.)

  • Has some sophistication. (If beer and video games are sophisticated.) Will represent the company to the passengers - should be articulate and presentable.

  • Going to be paid a high salary usually only seen by college grads.


  • Human resources (personnel office) has large influence in who gets hired. They know the pilots they hire are going to make more money than they are. They will often be sticklers for pilots being educated commensurate with the salaries offered, disregarding the practical education that many of you have gained in your flying career.

    Pilot management also normally comes from the ranks of pilots. To move into that, one should have some education.

    The truth is, during my working life, there has almost always been a surplus of pilots and if you have two thousand applicants for twenty openings you need some means of weeding out. Bachelor's degree served well for that.

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    RE: Entry Requirements For Initial Flying Job In UPS Or Fedex?

    Sun Dec 28, 2003 6:58 pm

    Slamclick,
    I'm agree with you that can be good to reduce the number of applicants.
    they are articulate and presentable me to but I have not a Bachelor's Degree
     
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    RE: Entry Requirements For Initial Flying Job In UPS Or Fedex?

    Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:50 pm

    I though of going the route mechanic-flight engineer-pilot because I haven´t got the money to do an ab-initio ATPL course.
    I got myself the F/E training books, not difficult BTW, and started studying. Problem for me is as a non-american I need a letter from an American company to state that I´m required to get the FAA F/E licence. UPS for example (the American airline I´m most familar with from working their planes) doesn´t hire PFEs anymore. F/E positions are either young pilots, getting experience before moving to C/P or retired captains still working as F/Es for another 5 years.
    This is also bad for maintenance because they often don´t know more about the systems than what button to press at what time. I met some old-time F/Es who would start troubleshooting during flight and could give the mechanics a detailed description of the problem, much better for us to work on than just "xyz system inop"

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    RE: Entry Requirements For Initial Flying Job In UPS Or Fedex?

    Mon Dec 29, 2003 4:02 am

    The days of PFE's are fast dying away. You would be very very lucky to be hired by any airline now a days with just an FE ticket in your pocket with the large number of laid off pilots still out looking for jobs.
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    RE: Entry Requirements For Initial Flying Job In UPS Or Fedex?

    Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:25 am

    Sure there are plenty of laid off pilots around... but I´ll I know aircraft systems better than any of them...

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    RE: Entry Requirements For Initial Flying Job In UPS Or Fedex?

    Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:19 pm

    My last post was of course meant as a joke!

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