pilotman52
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Airline Safety Expert

Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:47 am

Hey all,

With all the recent news having to do with aviation lately, I can't help but hear "Airline Safety Expert" every time i listen to some news about accidents and incidents. My question is, what exactly is an "Airline Safety Expert". I assume it has to do with aviation and saftey just by the title. (I'm not THAT dumb!  Big grin ) What do you have to study in order to become an airline safety expert? Any information at all would be great. Thanks a lot!

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FredT
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RE: Airline Safety Expert

Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:23 pm

Degrees in aeronautical engineering and human factors in aviation should be a good start. Then an ATPL...

Now you've got something to do for a while. Big grin

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AAR90
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RE: Airline Safety Expert

Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:20 pm

If you are paying attention to "the news" you've noticed so-called "experts" commenting on any and all subject matters. To be a broadcast news "expert" means you are calling yourself an "expert." Nothing more, nothing less. Those of us who have worked or are working in the aviation safety field basically laugh at what the so-called "experts" on TV/radio have been saying.
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FredT
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RE: Airline Safety Expert

Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:50 pm

Good point, AAR90. I was thinking of the airline and authority employed safety experts.

Rereading the original post, it is clear that they are not the ones asked about. They would never voluntarily appear in the news! With the average quality of aviation reporting today, that would probably be akin to career suicide. Big grin

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SlamClick
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RE: Airline Safety Expert

Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:58 am

Most true experts would never allow themselves to be called "expert" it is sort of like flame-baiting.

As has been pointed out, the TV (especially) "experts" are mostly guys with some goodies on their resume, but mostly they look pretty on camera. Got the gray hair at the temples, crow's feet at the corner of their eyes. Look like the actor central casting sent over to play the pilot in a walk-on. Good for them, but my problem is the dumb things they say, or the really bad edit their commentary gets before it is aired.

One well-known safety "expert" said that JFK Jr. had plenty of visibility to conduct the flight - six or seven miles. Well that may be fine over populated areas but where he crashed the nearest electric light was ten or twelve miles away. So what good does seven miles visibility do him? He was still in pitch dark. It was a very flawed observation and only served to keep alive the illusion that there was some mystery about Kennedy's crash.

But there is a career niche calling for safety specialists. Accident investigation is the usual route to these positions. Also USC has a professional level Aviation Safety program that is outstanding. It has been around for many years and many of the real experts are graduates.
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RE: Airline Safety Expert

Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:04 am

Whatever it is, it sounds like a cool job.

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AAR90
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RE: Airline Safety Expert

Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:05 am

But there is a career niche calling for safety specialists. Accident investigation is the usual route to these positions.

Sadly, while the NTSB has some of the best investigators its "investigation" process is heavily politicized and legalized to the point that professional safety folks have been using its "crash investigation" techniques as training aides on how not to find the actual causes of aircraft mishaps.

Also USC has a professional level Aviation Safety program that is outstanding.

Yes, very outstanding. USAF sponsored the development of that program. Originally a one year graduate levels study course that has since [a long time ago] been compressed [USAF ordered] to 6 months. All USAF aviation safety officers must have completed that course. About 10 years after its creation the USN created [forced into it really] an ASO course at Naval Postgraduate School. USN "stole" the Dean [and founder] of USC's ASO program to develop the Navy's 6-week [now 5-week] program --another compression of the USAF/USC program. He was still the ASO Program Director and teaching the Aviation Law class when I attended NPGS in 1985. At that time ASO students received 9 graduate level credits for the 27 graduate level credits' worth of work [not enough classroom time for accreditation purposes]. A very intense 5 weeks indeed.

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Air1727
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RE: Airline Safety Expert

Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:13 am

Having used to work in the safety department with Trans World, I can tell you right now, none of us ever like being called an expert. Most of us had degrees in Av Management/Science with focuses on multi-crew flight operations human factors and investigation. There were also three engineers on staff for flight data analysis and data processing. I think most of the airline safety experts you see on television are "experts" in areas of security and emergency management; some of them also have backgrounds in anti-terrorism.
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