Mr.BA
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B747-400 Charts

Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:49 pm

Hi folks,

I wonder if I can purchase a complete set of the B747-400 aircraft manual? I am very interested in everything from manuals describing the FMC operations to operation charts (Assumed air temp charts, fuel burn, take-off distance required, flaps 10/20 performance charts, tires limiting speed... etc) with different kind of engines - everything that has got to do with operating a B744.

I heard that these can be bought somewhere but I wonder if it's still on sale after 9/11?

Thanks!

alvin
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RE: B747-400 Charts

Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:57 pm

The only way I think that you could get one today would be if you bought a B747-400 or if you are a pilot.
 
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RE: B747-400 Charts

Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:04 am

That's why till today I'll ask pilots if there are anything they have in spare that they could give me... sometimes if I'm lucky I would be able to get some stuff  Smile
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RE: B747-400 Charts

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:26 am

Last time I priced the AFM for another type airliner was about ten years ago. They wanted $5,500 USD per copy.

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RE: B747-400 Charts

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:36 am

Considering that you're likely to get a visit by the police these days, just for inquiring about Flight Simulator software, don't be surprised if you find your door being knocked down & 30 police officers entering the room  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: B747-400 Charts

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:09 am

Despite what some security obsessed people might tell you if you go to http://www.esscoaircraft.com you can order the training, performance and procedures manuals for just about any commercial aircraft you want.

They'll screw you for the shipping if you're outside the US and they're not original manuals, just reproductions of major airline/manufacturer manuals but they're good enough for an enthusiast.

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RE: B747-400 Charts

Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:47 am

Sometimes when lucky You will find parts of manuals, maybe even a complete one on e-bay. I already saw some articles there.

Regarding the security warnings above:
You didn't get this information from me and this discussion had never existed!
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RE: B747-400 Charts

Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:42 am

Now now, Nudelhirsch, you won't be visited by the police - just the GSG9 or BKA  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: B747-400 Charts

Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:00 am

Actually the GSG9 has the HQ just half an hour from here...so now this is the point I tell everyone I was flying to Japan, when I'm actually boarding a plane to Paraguay...
don't tell anyone...
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RE: B747-400 Charts

Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:02 am

Thanks for the replies guys..  Smile. I'll keep any transaction secret.  Laugh out loud

Gordonsmall,

I noticed there's a NW B744 operations manual at the website you gave me. It might be reproduced but does it include all information and charts especially? I realy don't mind it being reproduced but I hope the information are genuine that's all.

Thanks guys!
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RE: B747-400 Charts

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:56 pm

What you get when you order from Essco Aircraft depends on which manual you happen to get.

I purchased a 767 ops manual because I was simming with 767PIC in FS2002, and I got only Volume I of the Ops manual which was just operational and reference info, limitations, normal, non-normal procedures, and systems descriptions and a section that did describe the FMC and the VAB-ology and button pushing required. But it was missing Volume 2 which has performance information that it seems like you are looking for with the 747.

I also ordered a 737-200 manual because I am looking at getting a type-rating at some point and wanted to get a head start at aircraft systems. The 737 manual did come with both volumes 1 and 2, so I did have performance charts, but only with the JT8D engines not the CFM56 engines.
The manual was very specific at what were airline limitations and what were Boeing limitations, sometimes the limitations are different.

Since aircraft/engine combos are specific to each airline, the NW747-400 manual you are looking at probably won't have the info you are looking for in terms of performance for every engine combination possible with a 747-400. It will have only what Northwest operates and Northwest Airlines procedures. But then again you might only get a volume I... since the FMC calculates everything for you...

I think the only way to find out is to call to see exactly what comes for the price...

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RE: B747-400 Charts

Wed Jan 14, 2004 9:22 am

Thanks Woodreau... I'll check it out. Smile Cheers!
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