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Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:59 am

Hi guys.

I've seen several photos of ramp crew workers who are standing near the nose of an airliner while holding onto a red/orange 3 wheel cart that looks like it's got a bottle/tank of some sort on it .... or nothing at all.

What's this cart used for?


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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:32 am

It must be a jack, hydraulic one if the airport authority is gaining money.

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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:36 am

I don't think it is a jack, looks unreasonably small and gadget-less to lift the airplane. But it's my opinion based on looks only, I could be wrong.

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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:54 am

Alfredo, I don't think you're wrong!  Big grin
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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:00 am

Hi guys.

I don't think it's a jack either, but then I could be wrong too. Big grin

I was thinking that maybe it's a cart with a fire extinguisher bottle incase there's a fire during startup ........ but that idea doesn't really make sense, or does it?

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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:23 am

I also think it's a fire extinguisher cart, but why the one on the photo on the right is empty is beyond me. Or is the extinguisher painted black and just hard to tell apart from the tyres?  Confused

However, there are some photos in the database who show extinguishers on the ramp:


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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:38 am

Hello Aloges.

Thanks for your reply and the good photos.

Well, perhaps it is a cart for a fire extinguisher, but, as you mentioned, a lot of good it will do if there's nothing on it!

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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:41 am

You're welcome!

Anyway, I'm curious as to what the forum ramp rats might have to say.
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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:49 am

Hi Aloges.

Yeah, so am I.

I'm a former ramp rat!  Big thumbs up I had a fantastic job back in the late 1980s - early 1990s working for a Corporate Jet FBO at Toronto's International Airport (YYZ), and I never used, or even seen a cart like that on my ramp or the other FBO ramps around me.

Therefore, I suspect it's something that ramp guys servicing airliner jets that are loaded with the public need to have close by.

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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:14 am

Beer cooler

just kidding, it is a wheel chock dolly.

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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:19 am

Looks a lot like it´s a cart for transporting the chocks to the plane so the rampers won´t have to carry them...
 
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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:52 am

Hi guys.

>> Okie & Klaus, Thanks for your replies.

You both mentioned that it's a wheel chock dolly, and that makes perfect sense to me.

It looks like these carts are used to carry other equipment as well.

When I worked on the ramp for a Bizjet FBO at Toronto's YYZ, the largest aircraft that were base on the ramp were 2 Convair 580's. For these large jetprops, us ramp rats used a bunch of wooden 4x4's that were painted bright orange. We'd carry them on the front of our tugs and then just rest them on our shoulders before chocking the nose gear and main gear.

During the winter, after snowplowing the ramp clean, us ramp workers would find these bright orange wheel chocks in some pretty strange places.  Laugh out loud

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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:11 am

The chock dolly makes perfect sense. We have some at my FBO that weigh about 50lbs a piece. I'm short, and these are about two feet long. We usually toss them on a tug when parking an aircraft in a remote spot. I could see how having something like that dolly at a gate where you are frequently removing chocks and turning aircraft would come in handy.
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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:33 pm

What type of sissys are we training to be ramp rats these days?

In my day, the job expectation was to lift 75lbs repeatedly.

And we had to carry chocks to the airplane, in snow sleet and hail, uphill both directions.
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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:34 pm

I too think it is probably a chock cart. Just a side note, but fire bottles near the aircraft during startup aren't there to put the fire out, they're there to clear a lane for the crew to escape through. Or passengers I suppose, I work cargo, so I usually don't think about the needs of "self-loading cargo".
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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:12 pm

The fire bottle at the NLG is mainly for show,

It had a purpose when they where flying DC-6's or other radials, where you could shoot a stream of Carbon Dioxide into an open cowl flap to put out a fire on start up, which was possible since they leak oil like crazy.

But there is generally no way to access a fire under a cowling of a jet motor to put it out.

If a fire starts, that portable bottle would be about as effective as a box of baking soda.
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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 3:37 am

I believe thats a battry-run intercom unit. We dont use em here in PIT but ive seen em in use at Logan before. Notice the headset connected to the unit, then into the Flight-Intercomm in the nose. Most likely thats an an airport where they done need pushbacks or the pushback has already taken place. The lead agent would be talking to the crew and they would either be starting their engines/APU ir might be doing a "hydralic dump". Hope this helps.

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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:53 am

What type of sissys are we training to be ramp rats these days?

In my day, the job expectation was to lift 75lbs repeatedly.

And we had to carry chocks to the airplane, in snow sleet and hail, uphill both directions.


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That's the first time I've seen those types of carts, having worked for two airlines we never had such a luxury item. At FL, we kept the chocks close by, usually outside of the containment zone (unless the lazy ramp rat that pulled them earlier was lazy) that way we could quickly chock the a/c. At ASA, we usually put the chocks on the lid of the pushback unit (as the marshaller usually stood on the deck lid of it to marshal the a/c in on the straight in parking spots).
 
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RE: Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:59 am

He he he.

We also used to make our own aircraft ice chocks by taking an Oxy axcetlyne torch and cutting teeth into a piece of 6 inch angle steel and then welding a chain between the two.

Worked pretty well but heavy!
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