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Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:39 am


Question for the Experts:

Any technical explanation for this weird take-off? It happened in Funchal.


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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 3:11 am

????

Saw somebody goodlooking across the ramp and wanted another look ?

Empty flight and crew's goofing off ?...


I really cant think of any reason for this !
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:35 am

Based on my very limited technical knowledge, one possible explanation is that they rotated / took off with lower airspeed than prescribed for the particular conditions (takeoff weight, temperature) of that day. As soon as they realized the issues, the pilots (or the FBW computer) put the airplane at a minimum AOA to avoid stall and gain airspeed.
 
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:43 am

They may well have been flying past the tower to check on a problem.

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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:56 am

Ummm..ok..


Yeah, so you might want to read the comments that the Photographer left for the photo. It explains what the aircraft did. No questions you should have after that.


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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:47 am

A pilot will tell you, wont ya guys?
I saw one of these take-offs at LAN in August of 1968. A UA 727-100 took off on 28L, got up about 75 feet, tucked up the gear and flew the runway length(7000ft) and then started to climb. In the old days you could stand outside and watch the planes at the gate (what jetways?). A United agent I was standing next to said to me in conversation.."He said he was going to do something special on t/o". He was referring to the pilots comments while in LAN ops talking to the agents before departing to ORD. The flight was suppose to be a Viscount but there was an equiptment change at ORD on the inbound. Pilots do these kind of t/o's when they know they can get away with it. It looks great if your on the ground.
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:07 am

http://movies.lazyeights.net/a319_start.mpeg

Or a good old-fashioned beat-up  Nuts
 
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:48 am

Liamska-
Awesome video, man! This can be described like the old Kai Tak takeoffs and landings: "Ex-fighter pilot?"
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:49 am

While probably not what's happening in this picture, this type of takeoff is more common in GA aircraft to simulate a t/o on a soft-field (anything other than a smooth paved surface). To minimize the time the aircraft is traveling on the undesirable surface, the plane will rotate at a slower Vr, then level off close to the ground in order to remain in ground effect. The ground effect keeps the plane flying at a slower airspeed until it accelerates enough to climb out.

I guess there's a chance that this is what the a319 pilot is doing, but who knows.  Smile
 
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:46 am

I have been on ferry flights where we have done this because someone on the ground has coordinated to get a good photo during takeoff. We would get our DC-10 about 50 feet or so above the runway, raise the gear, and fly runway heading to give the guy at the other end of the field a nice photo.

Just one possiblity.


I just looked at that Airbus takeoff. It looks like he pulled up too hard, you can see the computer correcting and pushing the nose slight forward.

Good gawd that pilot has balls.
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:59 am

hii TAP 1972!!!  Big thumbs up

I know exactly what that pilot was doing!
That is a special monouver that was used in Africa, in Angola and Moçambique in that small runways. You take off with normal flap settings, and rotate a little bit earlier, and when it is almost leaving the ground you set +1 flap level and it gives an extra lift and the aircraft climbs but with nose down... strange but its true... imagine a plane being elevated by the zone of wings, and then, aceleration with vertical speed = 0. and then... climb normaly.

That captain should have more then 40 years, and should be an Ex-Air Force, and should have served in the Ultramar War.

Thanks for Sharing this TAP1972..  Big thumbs up

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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 4:40 am

Wow people actually visit my website.  Smile
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:18 am

It's called showing off.. nothing more. haha. That manuever is called a transition takeoff. It's just alot of fun and was likely a deadhead with an empty airplane.
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:19 am

Commonly called a "low transition." Nothing more than very slow/no climb rate, accellerate rapidly and raise the gear as soon as you're airborne. Near end of runway one normally transitions to rapid (near max performance) climb. Looks "cool" for spectators and is fun for pilots. Normally prohibited for revenue flights. In 17 years at AA I have only done this once. Nowdays local airport noise procedures virtually eliminate most opportunities.  Crying
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:29 am

I remember taking off out of Dover AFB in the early 90's in an empty B747. Just ballast fuel in the belly. We were going to JFK. The captain was tired of watching the C5 pilots doing T&G's and showing off on there take-offs. It seemed that we were off the ground in less than 2000 ft. Climbed out at 30 degs. That take-off literally plastered me to the seat. We wound up busting 250kts prior to 10000 ft. Capt. was suitably chastised.
 
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Sun Feb 08, 2004 5:46 am

Nowdays local airport noise procedures virtually eliminate most opportunities

Why is that?? I would think that a takeoff like this would actually be better for noise abatement, since the airplane accelerates over the airport and can then climb out at a high rate of climb, thus getting the airplane higher faster.

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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:08 pm

Man and I thought soft field t/o's in a Piper Warrior were a kick in the pants! Thats amazing. Very cool vid.
 
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:10 pm

Meister808, altitude is the best noise reducer.
 
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Tue Feb 17, 2004 4:53 am

They must have pulled the circut breaker for the computer.

Still soft field takeoffs are behaviors exhibited by pipers not Airbuses.
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:11 am

I didn't mean that that was necessarily a soft field takeoff, just comparing that to a soft field t/o in a Piper. Thats all.
 
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:52 pm

Why is that?? I would think that a takeoff like this would actually be better for noise abatement, since the airplane accelerates over the airport and can then climb out at a high rate of climb, thus getting the airplane higher faster.

Rate of climb is much different than Angle of climb. Most of today's airport noise procedures are written to maximize angle of climb and thereby reducing noise footprint on the ground.
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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:11 am

In 1998 I flew on the Jersey European flight from Belfast City to Londonderry ( a short flight of only about 20- 25 mins. My friend and I were the only 2 passengers on the SHC360, and the pilot performed one of these take offs. It was very shocking, but extreemly enjoyable, as ill prob never get the opportunity to do it again.

as soon as we lifted off, I thought that something had gone wrong, as we didnt seem to be gaining any altitude. all of a sudden, about 5 or 6 seconds later, he pulled up the nose sharply and we soared into the air!!! Something that i didnt think a SHC360 was capable of!lol!  Smile

The stewardess (who turned out to be the wife of the captain!!) told us that they do this all the time when there are no passengers oin board or only a few "young lads" such as ourselves. We were then aloud to stand outside the cockpit doors (there are 2 on the SHC360....one to the right of the captains seat, and one to the left of the co-pilots seat) until final appraoch into Derry airport. He kept the cockpit doors open for the landing aswell, so that we could pretty much see most of the approach, unitl the last few seconds when the nose was raised, then all we could see was sky, as the cockpit on the 360 is a step up from cabin level.

Just thought i would share this interesting experience (for me anyway!!lol!) with u guys!!

PS when i was doin work experience at BFS in 1999 as part of my sixth for study, an Aer Lingus flight attendant told me that they also do this when they are on an empty, or ferry flight, and the cabin crew sit on trays and slide down the ailses when the aircraft pulls up sharply!lol!!

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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:13 am

Rich Kid doing a Commercial Flight Test?
Examiner made him start with a SoftField T/O.

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RE: Any Technical Explanation For This A319 Take-off?

Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:09 am

We use to do this all the time at Skywest when we didn't have any one on board. The ramp agents in SAN would call it a "Gee-whiz" take-off. Even an old metroliner looks cool when it goes fast at low level. After one such gee-whiz, a somewhat annoyed SAN tower controller said; "would an obviously empty Skywest 435 please contact departure control". we laughed all the way to L.A.
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