THAIlover
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Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:16 am

Hi,

I am considering taking flight lessons at the nearby airport and I have questions and want some of your opinions.

I'm shopping around for a flight school(PPL) and the 2 cheapest I can find are differ by school, Part 61 and Part 141, and plane. I know basic principles of Part 61 and 141 but the thing is I plan to become an airliner pilot some day and many have recommended Part 141 for that professional level. After the calculation (based on 55hrs), cost for PPL of Part 61(on C-152) is about $1500 (that I could save for instrumental) than Part 141(on C-172).

I do plan to continue to advance my certificate via Part 141 school but just for a PPL, which one should I go for? Should I start Part 141 all the way up? Or should I be trained at Part 141 at the advanced course (instrument, multi..)

Thanks in advance
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goboeing
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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:21 am

I would do it the way that's the most convenient for you and not worry about the FAR Part that it's under. If you have a good place with good instructors with well maintained airplanes, do your training there.

You may also want to look into what types of aircraft you'd get to fly at each. One other thing, and that is, do each rating as quickly as possible. Sure, take some time after getting the PPL to fly some friends or family around, but when you're working towards a rating/license and doing one lesson after another, try to pack them close together. That way, you'll spend less time reviewing what you've forgotten since the last time you flew. I think this is especially for the instrument rating.

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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:29 am

It doesn't matter if you are in a part 61 or 141 school, it is still going to take the same 300 and 1500 hours to get your Commercial and ATP licenses.

Some people get off on the fact that a private license only takes 45 hours at a 141 school. But my experience was that will be the case if you never have to repet a lesson and master every topic the day you go out and fly it.

My recommendation is to find a 61 school, preferable if you can locate an instructor that has been flying for years. A newbie instructor may be up to speed on the latest rules, but the latter is really going to show you how to handle an airplane.
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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:31 am

Pick the best instructor you can find at a school you're comfortable at (be it 61 or 141)...everything else will fall into place from there.

It never hurts to shop around by taking introductory flights at more than one school and even with more than one instructor and/or in more than one airplane at the same school.
 
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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:44 am

ok...sounds good...any more suggestions?
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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:53 am

Either way is good, but I think that I'd probably go with 141, just because I do better with structure. If you do go with the part 61 program, make sure that the curriculum is well organized. The instructor should have their "ducks in row."

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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:23 am

Agree with Normal. I would go with 141 but that is just because I tend to work better within a structure rather than organizing one. That is just my opinion though.

Part 141 has somewhat tighter requirements, and tend to be more expensive as you pointed out. I would stay away from those fancy-huge academies that offer you breaking in new equipment. If money is an issue (well, when it is NOT an issue?) go to a smaller school with good well maintained airplanes. They cost a fraction of the others and basically for the same flight time.

Have you considered taking your private instruction in part 141 with Cessna 150/152 or Tomahawks? They are about 20 USD/hour cheaper over the 172!

Visit the airport and ask students the + and - of their choices. Visit your local FSDO and don't hesitate to ask anything that concerns you; this is the moment where those lifetime decisions are made!

Visit http://www.studentpilot.com and its message boards; a good tool to find answers in that special stage on which you are.

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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:17 pm

Find the instructor first then figure out how to do it. Don't put the cart before the horse. The instructor comes before the choice of school, FAR Part, even the training aircraft choice. Don't skimp on the instructor.

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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:28 pm

Please delete, misinterpretation of original post on my part

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THAIlover
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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:09 pm

Hi,

One question I left out, Is it possible to take Part 61 school and then switch to Part 141?, or it's not possible? I have a hard time finding the reasonable PPL from Part 141 school here in Southwestern Connecticut. There are little to none.

And for Fly727, I've look for Part 141 school in CT and the only thing I can say is they don't have C-152. Only Part 61 schools have that in CT.

Too bad for mee!!!
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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:30 pm

The CFI you pick is the single most important element in your flight training, regardless of what school you go to. What I'd do is pick a school that is certified under Part 141, find the best CFI you can, and do your training under Part 61. This way you're assured of quality training while still giving the CFI the flexibility to tailor the training program to your individual needs.
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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:40 pm

I did mine part 141 in a 152 mostly, a little time in the 172. I shopped around at our many schools here in DAB and found a place that suited me the most. The 2 instructors I got were very good. My introductory flight, however, was with a good pilot but one with very poor English skills. It was important to me that I was able to communicate easily and get along with my instructor. The ones I got were stern but fair, and made me feel at ease.

I second the opinion of the others that structure worked well for me. Though I am an individualist, in something like flight training I think structure is key. Figure out what you want and need, and find the school that best suits that need.
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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:09 pm

For your private and instrument it may not make a big deal where you go. Where it definitely does makes a BIG difference is when you want to get your Commercial License. At a Part 61 school you are required to have done 250 hours of training (FAR Part 61.129) while at a Part 141 school you are required to do 120 hours (FAR Part 141 Appendix D No. 4).

Please correct me if I am wrong, I am not the best at deciphering FAR's. But I believe if you go through a 141 school from the start you don't have to do all 120 hours of training when enrolled in the Commercial Program, you might be able to fold that into other training. That may also be the case with transferring into a Part 141 flight school when you are at that point. It may depend on how the program is structured and if the local Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) allows them to do it.

Where I fly, the amount of flight training in the commercial program itself is well below 120 hours. However, by the time you are done with the commercial training you are definitely over 120 hours TT (when including PPL and instrument). This may be a an exception to the rule or it could be something common, I don't know, I never asked this question when I was flying at my local FBO.

It might be a good question to ask the particular flight schools if you are planning on going in the direction of a CSEL and CMEL license.

Sorry for being long winded  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:35 pm

Friends -
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Essentially, your license is no different, whether you got it 61 or 141...
What is better, a 1,000 hours CPL ex graduate of 61, or 141... no difference.
xxx
When with 2,000 hours, and having an ATPL... you will be hired by an airline, they will train you to THEIR standards, regardless of your past 61 or 141 background. Do not ever say to your airline instructor "well, in my 141 training they told us that it was not the way it should be done..." He will answer to you: "this is what OUR book says, and THAT IS IT"...
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When I select pilots who were trained in USA, I have never asked (nor see the point to ask) if they have had their training under 61 or 141. It is irrelevant. I look at the substance of their experience.
xxx
Remember, for me, an ATP with a 737 or DC9/MD80 type rating tells me much more about a candidate's experience and background, rather than an ATP qualification obtained in a Navajo in a 141 program...
xxx
Numerous chief pilots or training managers share my opinion, believe me. Do not read these glossy advertisements of pilot training publications. They are often borderline of misrepresentation and false claims.
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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:38 pm

I'm doing my PPL as part 141. I will be doing the rest as part 61. While the "structure" of part 141 can be appreciated by some, I find it better when the instructor (not some stage-check bs) has the final say.
 
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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:07 pm

Consider that part 61 gives you more flexibility with your training. You can pick your own X-country destinations for example. I've done all my training through CFI part 61 and have enjoyed every minute of it.
Airlines don't care. They want hours and ultimately, you'll probably save money going part 61 . . . money that can be spent on some good multi time.
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THAIlover
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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:10 am

Hi,

After all reading your comments, I think the best economical way for me is to take Private Pilot License with a part 61 school this summer.I then will probably be working on the rest via Part 141 next year(after collecting money needed)

Thank you all....I'll let you know my progress

THAIlover
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RE: Part 61 Or Part 141?

Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:47 am

Most people that I talk to, regardless of the style of training, have taken about 65-80 hours to get their PPL. However, many of the time requirements for the other ratings don't apply when doing them part 141. It may save money to do the more advanced ratings part 141.
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