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Jump Seat Question On The 737

Mon Mar 15, 2004 6:17 pm

I was on a flight the other day on a 738 and the crew either had a check airman or someone along for the ride up front. I have never been in the cockpit of one of a 737 but from where I was sitting, the jumpseat reminded me of the jumpseat on the Saab340 in the way that the seat folded down just forward of the doorway as opposed to the jumpseats in the 727s (off the side behind the left seat). My question is: are all 737 jumpseats that way or just the NGs? The cockpit looked like the crew had a lot less room to work than the 727s (no FE station).
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RE: Jump Seat Question On The 737

Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:26 pm

>>>My question is: are all 737 jumpseats that way or just the NGs?

No, all of them are.
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RE: Jump Seat Question On The 737

Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:01 am

are all 737 jumpseats that way

Well, there is a second jumpseat location just to the left of the fold-down jumpseat.... optional equipment on NG's.  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Jump Seat Question On The 737

Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:57 am

As far as I know they all have the fold-down seat. The second one was an option, most of ours (3/4/500s) have them.

If the second seat does not exist, the shelf is still there, there is no oxygen mask installed above, and there is a placard prohibiting use as a seat.

Its cramped if both seats are occupied, and the captain wouldn't be able to fully reverse his seat until you got your legs out from behind it, and that would be inconvenient until the main jumpseat rider had vacated.

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RE: Jump Seat Question On The 737

Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:04 am

inconvenient

Now that's an awfully polite way of saying what you really mean.  Laugh out loud
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RE: Jump Seat Question On The 737

Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:57 am

As bad as the second jumpseat is on the 737, the primary jumpseat on the 757 is worse. It hangs up, just under the overhead behind and outboard of the captain. There is a folding footrest but if the captain is the PNF on this leg, he will have his seat too far aft to use it. You can put your feet on the window sill to the left, or swing them over to the back of the pedestal. Just do this before he slides his seat back.

The only one I've ever ridden that is worse than the 757 is the Shorts 330, unless you really wanted to straddle the captain. At least the Shorts is a short-hauler. The agony of the 757 goes on and on and on . . .
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RE: Jump Seat Question On The 737

Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:48 am

Getting into the Avro 100 one is a contortionist act. It slides out from behind the F/O seat, but you have to be in front of when it does. The space is about 20-30 cm, but since you can't stand straight (low ceiling) you end up leaning over the throttles. I was nervously waiting for turbulence, which thankfully didn't come.


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RE: Jump Seat Question On The 737

Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:56 am

the primary jumpseat on the 757 is worse. It hangs up, just under the overhead behind and outboard of the captain.

We (AA) always considered that the second jumpseat (W2 in AA terms). FAA folks always grab the primary seat (near the FE panel) as well. The nice feature of this jumpseat arrangement is if there is only one jumpseater he/she can rearrange the cushions to lay "down."  Big thumbs up

IMHO, the 757's "high-chair" is better than the 737's "extra" jumpseat. Little less headroom, but more legroom once you've angled yourself properly --there is nowhere to angle in the 737. Both planes have better jumpseats than other narrowbody acft.
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RE: Jump Seat Question On The 737

Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:30 am

>>>The only one I've ever ridden that is worse than the 757 is the Shorts 330, unless you really wanted to straddle the captain

I'll second the Shorts 330 as the worst... Your right leg is perpendicular to the aircraft centerline, and your left is almost at a 90 degree angle along the left side of the aircraft. Should the captain bring their seat back whilst you're not paying attention, you could -easily- be singing soprano. I presume the Shorts 360 is the same way...

I've heard it speculated once that the seat was designed by a female engineer at Shorts that was pissed off are her cheatin' hubby, and decided to take that anger out on every member of the male species. Makes about as much sense as anything else I've heard....  Big grin

Best cockpit jumpseat I've ever been on: the DC-10, by far. Never rode any L-1011 jumpseats, and always wondered how they compared...
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RE: Jump Seat Question On The 737

Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:10 pm

Never rode the 777 jumpseats, but there sure looked to be a lot of space. 3 seats, lots of legroom, wide space between them.
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RE: Jump Seat Question On The 737

Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:02 pm

On AF, 737's have only one jumpseat which is very uncomfortable; it is the fold-down type that reminds me of the Paris RER subway  Smile

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RE: Jump Seat Question On The 737

Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:38 pm

Hi,

Well, I am sure that LH's 737's have a jumpseat behind the left seat. Yes, you have to fold down the seating cushion, but it's there ... at least that's where I sat. But I think there was also a jumpseat similar as you described it.

I think a jumpseat folding forward from the doorway would give better access to the center console. Maybe that's what they wanted?

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RE: Jump Seat Question On The 737

Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:31 pm

The jumpseat is probably the last item to be thrown into the design, giving the uncomfortable results described.

Having said that, the MD-80 jumpseat is very nice. Folds out from the wall next to the door. Footrests are springloaded pads on the sides of the center console. You sit somewhat above the pilots. The god view so to speak. I once inadvertently startled the pilots when I moved my foot and one of the footrests went back to the folded position with a loud metallic ***clang***. Luckily we were still at 20000ft.
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