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F/O With 2 Stripes

Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:56 am

In this picture The F/O has 2 stripes. I know F/Os sometimes have 4 stripes but 2? What could be going on?

Who wears 2 stripes anyway? Flight engineer or lead FA? I guess I am really confused.


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RE: F/O With 2 Stripes

Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:38 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that:

--Captain = four stripes

--First Officer = three stripes

--Second Officer = two stripes

--Flight engineer = two stripes with some special pattern or something to differentiate from Second Officer (at least on Qantas that's the case...)

--Lead FA = nothing, as far as I know

In the case of that picture, perhaps that's really a Second Officer on the right...

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RE: F/O With 2 Stripes

Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:46 pm

As far as I know, at Emirates:

Captain: 4 stripes

First Officer: 3 stripes

Chief Flight Attendant/ Purser: 2 stripes



In this case, I would imagine he was just a pilot in training or held a position even lower than F/O.

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RE: F/O With 2 Stripes

Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:56 pm

Chief Flight Attendant/ Purser: 2 stripes

Since when do Flight Attendants wear epaulets...? At least here in the US they don't....

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RE: F/O With 2 Stripes

Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:30 pm

It depends on every airline I guess. As far as I know there is no code or something like that.

In Mexico the airlines I know the Captain uses 4; First and Second Officer (Flight Engineer) use 3.

There is an awful tradition here in Mexico where the Students that have completed their Private training get 1 stripe. Commercial Students use 2 and once graduated they can use 3. You guys must see them ... all dressed up in the pilot's uniform all with epaulets, tie, wings, shiny shoes and a HUGE attitude while doing the preflight of a Cessna 150  Big thumbs up

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RE: F/O With 2 Stripes

Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:01 pm

Fly727- this may be standard at some part 141 schools. At Delta Connection Academy in Sanford, FL (I go to the one in JAX) they wear uniforms, blue shirts and they have 1 stripe epaulets. They flirted with the idea here but I guess the students didnt want them.
 
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RE: F/O With 2 Stripes

Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:15 pm

There really isn't a standard for this.

The only thing that seems to be more or less standard on a global scale is 4 stripes for the Captain and less than that for his co-pilot. However, it then depends on the airline and their internal seniority system whether they hand out 2, 2 and a half (small intermediate stripe) or 3 to their co-pilots. At some airlines, the Flight engineer is always rated higher then the co-pilot, although he might be less senior, at other placed, seniority prevails. This will of course have an influence on the number of stripes for both. It then remains open for the airline to hand out 1 stripe to the purser, something often done in Europe.

Besides, note that not even the system of plane stripes is standard. Some predominantly French speaking countries like France, Belgium, Luxembourg and some African countries strongly influenced by these have a different type of stripes, which I must say looks much better. There are derived from naval uniforms.

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RE: F/O With 2 Stripes

Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:33 pm

In general in the UK:

4 Stripes = Captain
3 Stripes = Senior First Officer
2 Stripes = First Officer
1 Stripe = Second Officer
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RE: F/O With 2 Stripes

Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:22 pm

There is no convention for this at all, it is up to the individual carriers.

Shoot I have seen captains that have willingly moved over to the sidesaddle seat because at 60 they can't fly but still can work as an F/E.
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RE: F/O With 2 Stripes

Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:20 am

At my airline:

Captain - 4 Stripes
Senior FO - 3 Stripes
FO - 2.5 stripes
Junior FO - 2 Stripes
Second Officer (Relief pilot) - 1 Stripe
Engineer - 3 Stripes with purple in between.
Simulator instructors - 3 stripes with an 'S' above.

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