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Question About Transoceanic Routings

Mon May 10, 2004 10:46 am

Hi all,


Have a question about two specific air routings over the ocean from Europe to the USA and back..


In particular, the routing from ARN-EWR on SAS....I'm curious as to whether this flight takes a direct..."great circle" routing which takes it over the north atlantic, passing just south of Greenland, over eastern Canada, before finally dropping down into Newark....or if it takes a polar route...flying over the north pole and then south over Canada to Newark?



Second routing, LAX-FRAnkfurt on LH. Does this route fly eastbound over the USA, before crossing the Atlantic...and does this also fly to the south of Greenland? OR, does it fly north, over the pole, and then down into Germany....OR...does this flight actually go transpacific?


Do airlines prefer polar flights or great circle routes?


Thanks for your help.
 
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RE: Question About Transoceanic Routings

Mon May 10, 2004 10:51 am

Well, don't know how accurate it'd be, but you could always just download the star screensaver and watch the flights.  Big thumbs up

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RE: Question About Transoceanic Routings

Mon May 10, 2004 11:10 am

The what??  Confused

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RE: Question About Transoceanic Routings

Mon May 10, 2004 11:12 am

http://www.staralliance.com

Very bottom of the screen. Really cool! You can set it so that it is no in real time mode and the planes move fast.

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RE: Question About Transoceanic Routings

Mon May 10, 2004 11:15 am

 
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EWR-ARN

Mon May 10, 2004 11:17 am

EWR to ARN direct = 6324.4 km

EWR to ARN via North Pole = 8882.2 km
 
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RE: Question About Transoceanic Routings

Mon May 10, 2004 11:20 am

I believe the North Atlantic track system changes quite frequently and there are a variety of tracks available, so I imagine it would be very hard to find out in advance...

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RE: Question About Transoceanic Routings

Mon May 10, 2004 12:12 pm

The North Atlantic Tracks change on a daily basis, so as to take advantage of winds aloft.
Therefore, these flights would have a slightly different routing each day, however it generally would be in the same area...:ie: no massive route changes.
Aircraft can also file 'random routes'. These are sometimes very close to great circle routings however, care must be exercised so as not to select a routing that crosses too many (daily) fixed tracks, as optimum altitudes may not be available due to crossing traffic, at certain times of the day.

Polar routing for the flights mentioned would not be advantageous, due to the distance involved.
 
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RE: Question About Transoceanic Routings

Mon May 10, 2004 12:41 pm

Here is SAS902 tonight, from EWR to Kastrup.
KEWR..MERIT..HFD..PUT..ALLEX.N93B.CYMON..DENDU..5100N/05000W..5300N/04000W..5500N/03000W..5600N/02000W..MIMKU.UP6.MORAG.UN563.GOW.UL983.TUDLO.UT53.LUGAS..EKCH

Here is DLH451 from LAX to AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA.
KLAX./.TRM031014..VBI..5130N/09000W..5430N/08000W..5540N/07000W..HO..LOACH..5600N/05000W..5600N/04000W..5600N/03000W..5600N/02000W..NIBOG.UN551.BESOP.UP6.REMSI.UL603.TEBRO.T150.OTKUR.OTKUR1W.EDDF

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RE:

Mon May 10, 2004 10:46 pm

LH flightplan is LAX to the Thermal 031 radial 14 nm, then direct to Sioux Narrows? Boy... I knew once airborne they could hope for direct routings like that, but I didn't think flight plans had 1000+ miles of direct.

Wonder why they don't go via Daggett?
 
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RE: Question About Transoceanic Routings

Mon May 10, 2004 10:50 pm

"KEWR..MERIT..HFD..PUT..ALLEX.N93B"

Right over my house!!!!
 
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RE: Question About Transoceanic Routings

Tue May 11, 2004 1:19 am

JohnJ, is that for the LH or SK flight?
 
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RE: Question About Transoceanic Routings

Wed May 12, 2004 12:08 pm

You can view a listing of the daily NAT tracks here:


https://www.notams.jcs.mil/common/nat.html


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RE: Question About Transoceanic Routings

Wed May 12, 2004 7:59 pm


Polar Tracks or NAT Tracks are chosen depending on weather conditions.

Track A would be suitable for both routes,and if this track goes south then a Polar Track would be flown on the AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA-LAX route.
 
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RE: Question About Transoceanic Routings

Thu May 13, 2004 1:39 am

I flew ORD-ARN on SK last year and we passed (if I remember it correctly) a little north of New Foundland and over Greenland and since Chicago is further away from Stockholm than New York is, there's no crossing of the pole on the EWR-ARN route.

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RE: Swadispatcher

Fri May 14, 2004 10:36 am

Hey there: Welcome!

FWIW. I've been off this forum for a few years. Nice link!

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