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Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Sat May 15, 2004 1:10 pm

Why do airlines almost as a rule board at Door L-1? Was there a time when boarding varied by airport? It's obvious that different airliners did board at different places in the past, but was there a time when, say, 737s would board on the left side at some airports and the right side at others? It seems like there is significant standardization now as ATRs are about the only aircraft in commercial service today that routinely board somewhere other than the left front of the cabin.
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Sat May 15, 2004 1:36 pm

Which side are the cargo doors on?

The right so it is not practical to have pax steps or jetty's getting in the way of baggage trollies and toilet trucks etc
 
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Sun May 16, 2004 1:17 am

I always see cargo loaded on the right side of the aircraft. Also, keep in mind that some aircraft, like the 757 and 764, often board from L2.
 
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Sun May 16, 2004 1:20 pm

This same question was asked in Airliners magazine within the past year. Perhpas someone with time could find the answer? It's in the "Ask Airliners" section.

I wish I could find the correct issue.
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Fri May 21, 2004 1:12 am

VC-10- I was looking for the origin of loading cargo on the right and passengers on the left. There has got to be some historical cause.
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Fri May 21, 2004 1:18 am

Not trying to be a wise guy but the cargo doors are on the right.
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Fri May 21, 2004 1:23 am

well, i just saw a EMB-145 that had to be de-planed on the right because the main door jammed. mx had it open and working in a few but it still created an interesting situation for pax. one guy came up to me afterwards and said that he had never done that before...
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Fri May 21, 2004 10:55 am

Am I really going to have to find my back issue of airliners then? The complete answer is there, surely someone has it easily handy. I don't.
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Fri May 21, 2004 2:28 pm

If we look back many years, there was not really any standardized boarding procedure.
Many DC-3's had the pax entry door on the RH side, as did many CV240's.

As aircraft got bigger, and cargo loading took longer...and longer (belly cargo is profitable), the standardized way pax were boarded was thru L1, to keep them away from aircraft service vehicles. In addition, single point refueling is many times carried out on the RH side.
On TriStar aircraft, oftentimes boarding was also carried out thru L3 as well.
A300 aircraft will oftentimes deplane thru both L1 and L4 at the same time.
In addition, at many airports (especially older airports), jetway availability and location dictate boarding procedures.
 
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Sat May 22, 2004 12:41 am

on USAir's shuttle boarding in done via the L1 door while deplaining is done bia both the L1 and L2 doors.
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Wed May 26, 2004 12:28 pm

FDXmech

If you look at USA jet's dc9's, their cargo door is on the left, as is....oh, can't think of it now but there is an outfit that flies Convair 580's and their cargo door is on the left (one of the detroit autopart haulers).

(I thought you guys were talking cargo, I got you now)

Didn't one of the old Fokker biplanes back in the 1920's board on the right side? Maybe some of the sikorski's as well?


edit: left out info.

[Edited 2004-05-26 05:32:33]
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Thu May 27, 2004 2:13 am

As far as origin, that is a good question. I am wondering if it has something to do with tradition. Don't ships usually load on the left side as well? Many early aircraft builders / designers had ship building experience.

It is a tradition that goes back a long way, a lot of old pics show airstairs on the left.

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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Thu May 27, 2004 10:36 am

Baw2198, all freighter main deck cargo doors are on the left.

Guess I'd better dig out the old Airliners magazines.
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Mon May 31, 2004 7:26 pm

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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:52 am

Starboard and port. As hoary as it may sound I think this is the answer. Maritime tradition led the way to aviation standardization.
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RE: Origin Of Boarding At L-1?

Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:19 am

Boarding an aircraft from the left goes actualy back to the early days of military flying. Many of the first military pilots were former cavalery soldiers. From which side do you mount a horse? From the left. This stuck to the early military planes as well, and later was taken over by the civilian industry as well.

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