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Another Missed Approach!

Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:22 am

Call me lucky, but I got to experience my second missed approach in less than 3 weeks this past Friday!

First was at the end of May on an AA A300 MIA-SJU.

Most recent was Friday night on AA 1999, a trusty 757 EWR-MIA. We were on final approach to 8L and were below 1000' (my estimate) and we did a sharp left turn, maybe climbed up to 4000' or so and within about 2 minutes landed on rwy 12.

Question #1: For an airline the size of AA, given the number of flights they operate each day, are missed approaches fairly common? Example, at least 1 per day?

Question #2: Is there any additional paperwork that a Captain has to file upon arrival?
 
wilco737
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RE: Another Missed Approach!

Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:28 am

Hi N62NA,

well, for AA it seems to be a really common situation! But I cannot tell how often!

2. It depends! If I do a missed approach, nobody asks why! It is absolutely no problem! There is no more paperwork or anything else! Just go around and try again!
In other airlines a go around is a shame! The Captain needs to go to his boss and explain why! But I don't know where and I hope it is very rare...

A go around is mostly done because of safety reason: unstable approach, too high, to fast, something on the RWY, weather (windshear) or 1000 other reasons... So, shouldn't be a problem to do it! For my airline it is no problem, thank god!

WILCO737
 
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RE: Another Missed Approach!

Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:12 am

Thanks for speedy and detailed reply, Wilco737!
 
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RE: Another Missed Approach!

Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:15 am

No problem...

I hope I could help a bit...

Take care

WILCO737
 
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RE: Another Missed Approach!

Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:39 am

I highly doubt that a go around would result in you seeing your boss with an American airline. The FAA are pushing pilots to err on the side of caution and would discourage such behavior.
At worst, you screw up and die.
 
buckfifty
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RE: Another Missed Approach!

Tue Jun 22, 2004 6:00 am

I know someone who was fired because of a missed approach. However, the reasoning was that the missed approach was totally unnecessary and a bad judgement call, and added onto the previous record of this said pilot, which perhaps was not too sterling.

But in the real world, missed approaches are not penalty items. Better to waste a bit more fuel than to risk an incident report.
 
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RE: Another Missed Approach!

Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:38 pm

So, in which airlines is it a shame for a go around. Does anyone know which airlines or which regions in general?
 
wilco737
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RE: Another Missed Approach!

Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:02 pm


I heard of Asian Airlines (and talked to F/O's) who had to meet the head of the fleet and explain why they performed the go around! They wont get fired usually! But he had to explain. I have never heard either that in the US (or Europe) someone had to go to the head of the fleet to explain a go around!

Sure it is better to go around than crash the AC into the ground, but it costs money. We calculate for a go around and additional approach 600kg (1320 lbs)! Not so much, but it is fuel you have aboard and so additional weight!

WILCO737
 
ba299
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RE: Another Missed Approach!

Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:29 am

some days ago we have recived a comunication from aour fleet manager about the go-around wich remeber that if we don't feel safe we have to go around. About the paperwork it depend by the cause of the go-around, so if we go-around due to an airprox or a TCAS RA or a GPWS warning we have to fill the compulsory safety report, in al the other case we can fill a voluntary report if we wish

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