LHcapt2007
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What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Mon Jul 12, 2004 2:37 pm

Airline Transport Pilot - PA44-180 Piper Seminole

Gotta love the counter rotating props, I feel for those of you who held your altitude during your single engine hold with your critical engine gone(traditional).

The most difficult part was keeping it inside 1 dot(donut in the seminole) single engine considering it is a light twin.
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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:57 am

The DC-3

But I think this thread would fare better in the Polls and Preferences forum.

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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:09 am

There are few things more in life that I want than to have flown the DC-3!



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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:59 pm

7/8/89,N54604,DC-3C ,Century Airlines, Dayton,Ohio, my first command, still fly C47's at airshows, the Dc3 is still the best ship ever !
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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:25 am

I did my ATP in an EMB120. She's not a classic like the DC3 but she will always be a classic to me.

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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:41 am

You dont use Autopilot in ATP check do you? I would imagine that you dont. Is it just one check ride or do you need to get a type rating and then take a few check rides and the exams? I hope to get my ATP some day. Still got to just get my PPL first.
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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:46 am

Flymia If an autopilot is installed, you will probably use it. Not as a crutch, but rather, to demonstrate the use of the aircraft equipment. In a two-pilot aircraft like the DC-3 or EMB120 mentioned above, you are also expected to make use of your copilot.

Proper use. Again, not as a crutch, but as an aid to the operation. CRM is part of the checkride.

Should be just one checkride. You can get ATP, type rating, and company proficiency check all in one, if it works out that way. You'll see what I mean long before you are ready to go for it.

And LHcapt2007 seriously, this has been read over three hundred times and only posted to six? It needs to have you move it to Polls and Preferences. It is not a "technical" question.

P.S. The DC-3 was N33644, which is still flying.
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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:08 am

SlamClick, is the MCC course required for U.S airline pilots? I took for granted that it was, but since you said that the ATP-applicant has to demonstrate that s/he's able to work as a team during the ATP checkride, maybe the pilot doesn't have to do that in a separate MCC course?

thanks,

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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:52 am

BMAbound sorry, I don't know what the MCC course is. (does that mean it is not required?)

My reference to use of copilot etc. on a checkride applies to two-pilot aircraft. However, I think the current "practical test standards" for the Private, Airplane Single Engine requires something like a CRM (crew resource management) demonstration. I guess a private pilot is supposed to say something like "please hand me that sectional" It does make sense to use other occupants of the plane to lighten your workload but the picture is kind of comical.

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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:04 am

Dornier 328. nothing more to say...
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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:34 am

SlamClick, if interested, here's the contents of a MCC course. It's not very different from the CRM concept, I'd say it's about the same... Anyways, on many European carriers, SAS being one of them, MCC equals about 20 hrs in a FFS and a handful of class room hours.

http://web.sasflightacademy.com/company/training/human/human.asp#MCC%20–%20Multi%20Crew%20Co-operation%20Course

johan

(I tried to link it, but it didn't work...)
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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:14 am

Okay Johan, I get it. Not to my knowledge is anything like that required in an ATP syllabus but a demonstration of proper use of crew, including CRM concepts is part of any checkride and oral exam.

The CRM stuff here in the US has morphed, from a program which had been called "captain sensitivity" or "copilot mutiny" training, to a sort of underlying philosophy for the safety programs. It is mostly about error-trapping now, and in my opinion, one of the good things that has come along on my watch.

As each company has its own version, it is taugh by each company.

One company had employees who objected to being left out so the program was changed to PRM for Personnel Resources Management. Then some genius decided that left out the tools and equipment so they changed it back to CRM for "company" resources. That was all-inclusive enough for everyone but me.

I wanted to call it WORM for "whole organization . . ." but that is only because I could not think of a something to match "SQUIRM."
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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:53 pm

Boeing 767-300ER simulator (along with the 757/767 type rating), Boeing/Flight Safety Intl., Seattle WA.

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RE: What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:50 pm

Cessna Citation 650 simulator when I got my type, Flight Safety Wichita.
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