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Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:30 am

Hey everyone. Can anyone give me an idea of the trip cost for a Boeing 757-200 and a Boeing 767-300ER? If it makes a difference, RB.211 engines on the 752 and GE CF6 engines on the 763ER. I don't need too specific of a figure, I'd just like to know a ballpark figure.

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RE: Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:04 am

At a price of, say $2 pr. gallon jeta (in the high end) and a standard three hour flight the fuel costs would be $3000/hr (at MTOW) and maybe $2000/hr empty for the 757 flying at 30000 ft and Long Range Cruise.

Add to that the crew costs (hourly wages for f/a's maybe in the $20-$40 range and flight crew double or more that) and aircraft devaluation/loan payments/lease/maintenance and you have the cost.

Unfortunately fuel is the only info I can estimate with some confidence.

You could also try to find the wet-lease prices for such an aircraft and maybe multiply it by 0.6-0.95 (Depending on kind of agreement) to get close to realistic operationg costs all included (except fuel)
 
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RE: Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:42 am

Add to that the crew costs (hourly wages for f/a's maybe in the $20-$40 range and flight crew double or more that) and aircraft devaluation/loan payments/lease/maintenance and you have the cost.

Don't forget to through into the equation, landing fees and engine pbh fees (if the engines are being leased).


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RE: Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:48 am

Most airlines pay less than $1/gallon depending on quantity discount and hedging.
 
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RE: Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:59 am

According to the FAA, the approximate operating costs per block hour (including all involved costs, not just fuel) for the 752 and 763 are US$2685 and US$3398, respectively. Sorry, I don't have any figures for the 763ER...

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RE: Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:46 am

This is new to me, so forgive my igonrance, but the FAA makes estimates of opperating cost ?
 
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RE: Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:39 am

Sorry, my mistake. The document I got the figures from is actually from the ICAO (I had saved it to my computer without writing the URL down and it doesn't have the source written on it at all, so I wrongly assumed it to be from the FAA), and can be found here.

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RE: Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:48 am

QantasA332
Do you have a more up to date operation cost than the year 2000?
Or a link where I can get it?
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RE: Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:05 pm

Nope, that's it. Sorry.

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RE: Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:58 pm

From Eclat Consulting, and Published in Aviation Daily, for 12 months ending Sept 2003 (data is based on Form 41 reports)

757-200
Average Block Hour Cost and CASM
AA $3,354 4.6
UA $3,688 4.9
DL $6,768 9.6
NW $2,859 4.0
CO $3,347 4.6
US $4,214 6.0

767-300

Average Block Hour Cost and CASM
AA $4,084 4.3
UA $4,051 4.2
DL $7,996 8.7

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RE: Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:00 pm

What explanes DL's wild deviation from the norm?
 
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RE: Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:49 am

There are a lot of reasons, but a big reason can be summed up in crew costs. Assuming that crew costs include the cabin crew, but also assuming most cabin crew costs are close across the main carriers, then it points to pilot costs. Here are the Crew Costs as stated in the reference above:

757-200
Average Block Hour Crew Cost
AA $845
UA $821
DL $2205
NW $780
CO $602
US $1236

767-300

Average Block Hour Crew Cost
AA $894
UA $996
DL $2474

You will note that it doesn't make up the total difference. It looks like DL also has above average fuel costs for the period and above average aircraft costs. The aircraft cost difference looks like it might be related to high depreciation rates. The higher fuel cost is related to higher fuel burn (gal) per block hour.
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RE: Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?

Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:42 pm

Reviving and old thread... any idea what "ball park" trip costs / block hour costs are for the 767-200 and -300 today, at current fuel prieces? And what would similar figures be for the A330-200 and -300?

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