work4bmi
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2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:42 pm

All,

Is it possible for an aircraft to share its reg? What I mean is, I photographed an aircraft today that is soon to join another airline. I was issued with the registration and entered it into a.net - To my suprise, the reg is in the database but with another airline, from the 70's...

Please help as I am unsure.

Thanks
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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:48 pm

I´m certain that a registration can´t be shared, but it can be re-used.
 
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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:54 pm

At any given time only one plane is supposed to have a certain registration. If you´ve seen a picture from the 70s, this would mean that e.g. the old airplane has been scrapped or removed from service, or sold abroad, so that the alloted registration number became free again.

I know of only one case concerning a FAA issued registration number, where two planes used te same number (illegaly). This was a guy in Germany, who didn´t want to bother with German regulations (maintenance checks, insurance) and tax, and therefore painted a fake N-number on his single engined plane, figuring that since he was operating the plane exclusively in Europe, the FAA wouldn´t catch him and the German authorities, seeing the American number, wouldn´t bother with him. His downfall came after a visiting FAA inspector noticed the number and remembered that he used to be working on a police helicopter in some American city with exactly the same number. He notified both the FAA and the German LBA, and from then on the German pilot found himself in deep doodoo. His plane got confiscated, I don´t know if they jailed him or just fiined him, and if he ever sets his foot into the US, he´ll face legal action.

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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:55 pm

Klaus,

Thanks, this oculd be the reason then. From what I can gather, the 70's aircraft has not been since photographed, so am guessing its a re-issue for the new one.
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MD11Engineer

Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:15 am

MD11Engineer, good story! Big grin
 
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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:09 am

MD11!!!

Wow, thanks! And yes, a great story!
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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:40 am

I've seen pictures of one aircraft wearing 2 N#s at the same time....
 
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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:13 am

At JetBlue, we started our aircraft registrations at N503JB. Why? Because 501 and 502 were already taken? We're about to take delivery of N591JB but we certainly don't have 90/ish airplanes. Instead, these numbers skipped and jumped based on registrations that are already in use.
 
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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:18 am

Flyf15,

I think I have seen a pic also, with a different registration on the fuselage and under the wing.... however I think this was taken a while back, when regulations might not have been as tight. Obviously, this would have happened when the aircraft transfers to a different carrier in a different country, as in most circumstances it would require a brand new registration.

More recently I think I have seen Airbus aircraft with both their test registration and there eventual 'proper' registration on at the same time.

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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:33 am

A lot of times, planes that are having work being done at Boeing get new registrations, as well as planes that are on pre-delivery flights.

I remember a Delta plane that got re-painted, but the wrong registration was applied. I believe that the photo had more information, but I cannot find it in the database.

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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:53 am

Happened before between China and Taiwan, I heard there is a B24?? on both sides, but since they would never been seen on each others soil, it wasn't problematic. I believe that is why Taiwan now uses 3/5 digits and China 4 digits.

And you can find reg are recycled, for example 9V-SQA is both a 747-200 in 1973 and 777-200ER in 1997.

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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:53 am

The pictures I've seen are of a business jet (Raytheon Premier if I remember right)....one N# on one side, another N# on the other side. Kind of strange looking. Had something to do with pre-delivery test flights.
 
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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:37 am

This beauty has two regs, and I don't think LH would have done that without approval:

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It's probably for historical reasons, I remember D-AQUI was the registration of a LH Ju52 many moons ago.
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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:26 pm

Yes, the original registration back in the 30s was D-AQUI. Since today the A letter on the modern German system is reserved to multiengined aircraft with a take-off weight of greater than 20 tons (which didn´t exist back then), the Ju-53 3m would belong into the C class, multiengined between 5,6 and 20 tons.
D-CDLH is it´s official registration. D-AQUI is only stencilled on the plane for historical reasons.

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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:00 pm

Not possible to have two Aircrafts with the same registration in service at the same time,probably an older aircraft was deregistered & the available registration was then available for the new one.
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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:15 pm

Check registration D-ICMS in the database. I got a bit of shock when using autocomplete to find the aircraft I had just snapped had undergone a fairly radical conversion Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:42 am

Recycling regs is fairly common. If you check out Thai International's fleet, you'll find a large number of registrations recycled with earler aircraft in their fleet of fairly recent vintage. For eg. HS-TGA was initially a DC-6B of TG, it was then their first B747-200 and today HS-TGA is a B744 and so on.

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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:18 am

If you go up to Renton, and look at the flight line, you will often times see several 737's with the same tail numbers.

Boeing has a number of "house registations" that they slap on aircraft for ferrying and flight testing reasons. Again only one aircraft with that number is allowed to be airborne at one time, but several aircraft can wear the same number.
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RE: 2 Aircraft Same Reg?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:13 am

check the old EL Liberian registration, many double registrations.
here extract from UN report

"Several countries (including Belgium, South Africa, U.K. and Spain) have in recent years banned Liberian registered aircraft from their airspace and airports, in part because of fraudulent activity in relation to their registration.

The illegal registration of more than one plane with the same number, for example, is a practice frequently mentioned by airport inspectors throughout Africa. "

REPORT OF THE PANEL OF EXPERTS

APPOINTED PURSUANT TO
UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 1306 (2000), PARAGRAPH 19
IN RELATION TO SIERRA LEONE

December 2000


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