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Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA

Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:55 am

I've seen some very young 763 Captains and some older M80 First Officers on AA flights I've taken and was wondering what the progression is for a pilot. Does it go:

First Officer:

M80
738
757/767
A300
777

Then as Captain:

M80
738
757/767
A300
777

Or is the A300 at the top of the lists because it carries the most pax?
 
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RE: Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA

Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:46 am

Your list is appropriate if the only consideration is pay. For most younger pilots that may be true, but as you age your priorities tend to change. AA pilots have historically placed (1) Quality-of-Life (monthly schedule & home location) and (2) Retirement at a much higher level than pay rates. While there was a "blurp" in that historical perspective during the early 1990's [when the new group of "progressives" took control of APA], the historical priorities have been gradually re-emerging as that group has aged as well.
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RE: Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA

Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:47 am

It should be a bidding process to get upgraded and moved among the various types.
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RE: Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA

Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:09 am

This is a very American thing of course. In most of the rest of the world pay is not dependent on aircraft type once you get off turboprops and RJs.
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RE: Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA

Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:12 pm

I know this is a little off-topic for AA but I have seen some older grey-haired gents flying CRJ's for Comair. I thought that mostly the young "kids" fly the CRJs you know, as an entry level type of commercial pilot. Especially since the pay is so low.

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RE: Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA

Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:51 am

Not 100% familiar with AA, however some airlines like Continental and United have contract that lump together several types of aircraft for pay purposes.

At CO, 737-300/500 is one type, 737NG/MD-80/B757-200 is another, while the 757-300/767-200/400/777 is the third.

At UA, the 737/A320 is one, the 757/767 is another, while the 777 and 747-400 are the third.

By lumping together and reducing types of equipment for pay purposes the desire to keep swapping to a larger and larger aircraft in ones career is reduced. For instace at both CO and UA, you would really only have two upwards steps to take versus and airline that pays differently for each aircraft they own.

This ultimately saves the airline million of dollars in reduced training cycles.

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RE: Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA

Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:17 pm

A lot of the older commuter captains I've met or know are ex-mainline or guys that just liked commuter flying. As for pay some of the guys I know are making around $100k per year at one of the larger commuters. At somepoint in your career progression it becomes more about quality of life than anything else.
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RE: Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA

Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:56 am

My uncle curfrently flies for AA as a 757/767 Capt. and is in his late 40's. His progression went:

First Officer, MD-80
Captain MD-80
Captain 757/767

I believe it has to do with wether the pilot wants to become one of the more senior FO's and go to larger aircraft type as an FO, or wait as an FO on smaller aircraft then move up after a few years, as my uncle did.

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RE: Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA

Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:01 pm

Friend of mine went:

F/E - 727
F/O - 727
Capt - 727
Capt - 757/767

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RE: Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA

Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:35 am

I went,

A300 F/E
MD80 F/O
B727F/E
MD80 F/O
B727F/E
B727F/O
B756F/O
B737CA
B756F/O
and now back to B737 CA again. Maybe with todays bid I can hold B756 CA?
 
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RE: Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA

Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:19 am

Hope you get that B756A bid, Calpilot! (maybe far enough up to hold a line too!) Big grin Let us how know it goes.

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