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Need Help With (aviation) Education

Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:19 pm

First of all I'm sorry if this is in the wrong forum (and if it is you may shift it.). I just don't know which forum to put this in  Confused

Anyways guys... I need your help.

I am just about to start my 4 yr. college, and majoring in aviation (operations, and a bit of arprt management etc.). Also I already have a private pilot, and my goal is to get an Atpl.

If I take fulltime flight school, I will get commercial in about 5-6 months (according to the flt. school). And then can work upon my hours.
Now after 2 years of flying, I can go to another college where I will only have to do the college for 2 years to get a bachelors degree in aviation. (the hours count as credit in this univ.)

So my question is..... should I go to a 4 yr. get a degree, and simultaneously do flying (the 1st. 2 yrs. are primarily Ge courses), or go to the other college for 2 yrs. after 2 yrs of flying ??
Which of these (If I don't get hired as a pilot) would also help me to get a good job at the arprt. ?

Hope you guys can help me out here... I'm really confused.

Thanx  Smile

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RE: Need Help With (aviation) Education

Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:18 pm

Get a good 4 year degree. You always need options, especially in this industry. You sound like you would probably fit in very good at Embry Riddle. Check them out, they offer everything you need in one place.

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RE: Need Help With (aviation) Education

Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:30 am

And they'll handily empty your wallet, too...
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RE: Need Help With (aviation) Education

Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:35 am

You're going to get as many different answers on this fourm as you will anywhere else in life. That's not even counting the arguements that will start over which aviation school is the best. It can get to be quite a pissing match in here sometimes when the big flight schools come up. My friends above have shown that.  Big grin

I will tell you what I did. I visited a few schools including St. Louis University, Purdue, Southern Illinois University-Carbondale, and Central Missouri State. All have what I saw to be very professional, well designed aviation programs. I labored over my decision, and chose one. I made the right choice for me. If you really want to make aviation your life, go to a four year school and major in aviation. If you want to diversify a little, find another area of study and take your electives in that, minor or double major in another subject. Yes, it will be putting your eggs in one basket. But many programs have strong relationships with the airline industry which could land you internships and part-time jobs while studying which will greatly help your chances of getting a job with a major some day.

Man, I'm glad I don't have to make that decision again. Good luck to you!  Smile
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RE: Need Help With (aviation) Education

Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:33 pm

Another option is doing your coursework online, while getting credit for your flying at your home base. I just graduated from Utah Valley State College. The school itself is just south of Salt Lake, but you can complete a 4 year degree completely online. This was a good choice for me because you can stay at home, work and fly during the day, and do your classwork on the computer at any time during the day. Most of the classes have quizzes and exams that can be taken online at any time, but others will need you to send away for the hard copies of the tests, which you would need to take to someone who will "supervise" you, like a testing center (or your boss.) There are other schools like this I believe, but I was pleased with my experience at UVSC. You can check out more info at their website or by going to the AOPA flight training website and searching the archives for "aviation schools".
I have friends who just did all of the flying and did not do any schooling after high school. He's flying learjets now, but he still doesnt have any degree at all. Ive been told that the major airlines, and even the regionals like to see SOME degree, even if its in basketweaving. As for me, i havent yet needed to use my degree for anything, I'm still just working as an instructor, but it's nice to know that when i do eventually have the hours to move on, there wont be anything standing in my way. Good luck in whatever you do, its a lot of fun.
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RE: Need Help With (aviation) Education

Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:01 am

Hi SoaringAdi, Buzz here. Get as much education in while you can... get the 4 year degree in, add as many different intesting things to it.
The flying will still be there when you're done. It's a cyclical business and there will be people hired, and laid off. So you need to have all sorts of options and skills.
If you're good at understanding the mechanical aspects of an aircraft, get your A+P also. It's one way to work in avaition and you hear/ see other flying jobs that are out there. That's how i get to play with classic aircraft.
None of our kids have the urge to play with airplanes, maybe they're just being ornery teenagers?
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RE: Need Help With (aviation) Education

Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:26 am

A lot of the aviation universities offer something along the lines of Aviation Management. Most of the actual business courses are provided by the business department, and all of the aviation course are taken on the aviation side of campus. That's primarily how it is here at UND. Check it out if you want I'm graduating from here in December, so drop me a line if you have any questions.
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RE: Need Help With (aviation) Education

Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:26 pm

Thanx a lot for all those replies guys....

Appreciate it.

Can't tell you how much it helps.

Thanx 1nce again  Smile
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RE: Need Help With (aviation) Education

Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:11 am

Do yourself a favor and consider what every single Airline Pilot/Old Timer/expert has told me. Don't worry about going to an aviation college, and don't major in "aviation." It's not worth it, and it gives you really nothing to fall back on.

Going to embry riddle gives you "0" advantage in the Pilot market than going to a state/major University. Don't get me wrong, Embry Riddle is a fine university, I'm sure, it's just not necessary to empty your wallet there when you can go to any other school, get your private/IFR/Commercial on your own, and then go on to the airlines from there. ERAU is an expensive one, too.

I think one thing a lot of people don't understand is that the airlines really couldn't care less what you major in. For all they care, you can major in marine biology. They're not going to put any less weight on that than a guy with a degree in Aerospace Science from UND or ERAU.

Just think about that before you invest in your education.

This post wasn't meant to insult anyone that goes or went to ERAU (like I said, fine university, just that it isn't really a required place to go).

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RE: Need Help With (aviation) Education

Sat Sep 18, 2004 3:25 am

I had this perdicament with flight and maintenance. I am majoring in the maintenance and will minor in flight. The problem was the maintenance classes were long and I would have to wait till I get my A&P to do the flying and anything else.

I would say go for the 4 year degree or whatever you need to finish it. Then add other stuff with it if you want to add it to your BS. If they offer online courses, try those. Anything that will help to put more time for other stuff. If you're taking Gen Ed's, you can try to squeeze some flight and ground school with it. Then you can be able to finish that off and do other stuff. I am taking that route but it's the A&P first, after that then it's flight time. Don't worry about having aviation on your degree, some people who do not get a job affiliated with aviation and their degree can work at other fields. We have other people who work with metal(welding and sheet metal operations), engines(power plants, and anyplace else that uses turbine or other engines), The list goes on and on. Whatever class you have from that degree, you can end up working in that field.
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