dsuairptman
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RON Question

Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:02 am

Maybe some of ya'll working ramp could help me get a better understanding about RON and what goes on.

Obuvisly I know its when a plane overnights @ an airport for a morning departure, but here is the real meat of my question: After the arrival and the pax and crew deplane, what else is done regarding the aircraft: IE: what control features onboard sill have to be shut down, and who is responsible for locking up and how long after arrival does that occur.

Just the opposite for the morning: Who's responisble for opening the plane up, does ground crew have to start any control features on the plane, and what other things occur (besides crew arrival/preflight, and checkin/boarding) have to be done to get the plane on its way.

Thanx for any insight.
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RE: RON Question

Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:34 am

Here at DEN we usually have a few planes remaining overnight. Sometimes they are towed to the hangar and checked there. In this case, the plane is cleaned at the gate, and then mechanics take it to the hangar. Sometimes the planes just end up sitting at the gate, and in this case they are usually not closed. They're hooked up to the ground power and air conditioning. Mechanics check certain planes at the gate as well. The cockpit remains open, which provided me the opportunity for this shot.


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dsuairptman
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RE: RON Question

Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:40 am

Thanx for your insight.

If any one else has any to share, please post it here. Also, I'm very curious as to how Ron works at down line destinations ie: non-hub.

Thanx in advance!
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RE: RON Question

Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:20 am

I'll pretty much just echo what Alex said, with my experiences...
If no large maintenance checks are necessary the plane would remain at the gate. In this case mechanics make a thorough walkaround of the plane sometime during the night, replenishing oil etc if necessary. The APU is shut down and the plane will be connected to ground power, lights are turned off, and the cabin door will be closed. The plane will also likely receive lav and potable water service.
Before the first flight of the day there isn't really anything out of the ordinary that rampers need to do. After the crew arrives they will fire up the APU and we will disconnect ground power and air conditioning if it was used. Then we will load up the bags just like a regular turn (with the exception that no bags need to be offloaded)  Smile
 
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RE: RON Question

Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:31 am

Does a tech have to be in the cockpit for the plane to be towed. Also are there mechanics that are allowed to taxi planes?
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RE: RON Question

Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:46 am

Flymia,
From what I have been told, a mechanic/pilot must be in the cockpit if the plane is being towed to operate the brakes in case of an emergency. For your second question, yes there are mechanics whom are taxi rated, and they are allowed to taxi under the plane's engine power the same way a pilot would.
 
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RE: RON Question

Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:36 pm

Just a side note-- for security purposes, the jet bridge must be pulled away from the aircraft when all servicing is completed for the night.
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RE: RON Question

Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:58 pm

once the aircraft comes into the gate it's parked normally and serviced. usually, catering is done without including coffee/ tea and ice. the flight crew will shut down everything and reset all switched like they normally do. the a/c is cleaned and then left to sleep. that's it... it's just a turnaround that takes a few hours. a GPU is hooked up (or an APU left runing) so that the a/c wont freeze, boil. either
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RE: RON Question

Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:54 pm

When I worked on the ramp. We had Dash8s, and BAe146s overnighting at a non-hub airport. We did everything.

Unload the bags, groom (clean) the inside of each plane, vacuum it out, replace any torn magazines. The shutdown was different for each aircraft of course.

The Dash was just hooked up to a GPU, so we'd turn off the Masters and unplug the GPU, also we had to put on the prop ties and engine plugs, and heaters in the winter.

The 146 was alot more involved. Way more plugs/covers for every hole.
We'd also have to empty the 2 lavs, and drain the water so it wouldnt freeze.
Usually the APU was left running while we worked so there was a checklist to follow for shutdown. I even learned how to start the APU on the 146 and did it a few times in the morning on cold days! That was cool!

 
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RE: RON Question

Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:20 pm

Here in ATL we don't have to pull the jetways away from the a/c. The doors on the jetways lock and you need to know the code to get inside from the ramp. If we are working an a/c offline and are using portable stairs or a ladder then we must pull them off the a/c and close the door.
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RE: RON Question

Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:12 am

Atlamt correct, Search teams board the RON aircraft in the early am.
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RE: RON Question

Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:26 am

Wow, this is some really great insight. I knew more went on w/ RON aircraft, but never had an idea unitl know about what really went on there.

As a note, I notice some airports pull jetways back, but others leave them in place. Some airports do both. IE: at GPT NW pulls back the jetway from its RON plane, but CO leaves there in place at the door. ASA pulls theres back,but its due to the need to close the regional jet door, and that can't be done w/ the jetway at the doors threshold.

I wonder if the retracting jetway is a airline to airline thing.
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RE: RON Question

Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:04 pm

In my experience with WN in PHX....the RON planes get checked on at the gate...some are towed or taxied to the hangar by a mechanic.

When there is no more work or cleaning to be done on the aircraft, the aircraft door must be closed and latched and the jetway pushed back until the next authorized person comes on, etc etc...
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RE: RON Question

Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:51 pm

In SDF we do the usual cleaning and whatnot, but then because we have more RONs than gates we have to push one out into the "hole" where it remains overnight. Then in the am when a gate opens up we fire up the apu and tow the a/c back in. Also as a side note DL does not require a mech to do the brake ride. They have us to take care of that.
 
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RE: RON Question

Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:03 pm

SDF, what is your position title at DL if I may ask? Just wondering...
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RE: RON Question

Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:49 pm

Not all airlines require a mech/pilot to move a aircraft. In a former life, as a Ramp Sup, I was trained and authorized to start the APU and ride the brakes to reposition a A/C.
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