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Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:18 am

Does the Faa require its trainees for ATC to be certified at least as a private pilot?

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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:47 am

Nope..most of them dont have a clue how to fly an airplane haha.
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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:42 am

They have to get a medical certificate I think.

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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:53 am

Yes you do need a medical certificate. As far as I know it has to be a class 2 as well.
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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:36 pm

What about training to become an ATC? How the hell do you get there? That's always been very puzzling to me...
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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:10 pm

You get accepted into the FAA training center in Oklahoma. The entrance test is very competitive. If you graduate they offer you a job.
 
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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:24 pm

You have to be hired before you are 30 in order to be a terminal or enroute air traffic controller. Once you reach 30, you can only be a flight service specialist.

it's an old page... but it tells where to get ATC training.

http://www.faa.gov/careers/employment/atc.htm

There is a community college in Minnesota which also trains you to be an air traffic controller.

Otherwise the military is the other way.

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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:05 pm

I have met a controller who has been ATC for 15 years, and had never ever flown on an airplane, big or small. His first flight was actually about 6 months ago in a C-172.
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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:29 am

To be a controller now you have to go through the CTI program, part of the courses you have to take private pilot and instrument ground school, but you don't have to actually get the licenses. But at least they have an understanding how things work... I work with a few guys who are former pilots now are controllers... Me and one other have their ATP's and both continue to fly, and a few others have their PPL's.. However, there are some who don't have a CLUE how a airplane flies or works.. Kinda funny... We do have to get a medical, but you can be half way in your grave and still get a medical from some of these doctors..
 
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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:16 am

No you dont have to have a pilot certificate to be an air traffic controller. I am currently at UND and every ATC person has to get some flight experience. You can either take a survey of flight class or get your PPL. I got mine becuase I thought it would be cool. And yes you do have to get a medical to be a controller and from what I hear it is like a 2nd class medical.
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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:58 am

The FAA requires controllers and supervisors maintain a 2nd class medical certificate. Upper management don't need one.
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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Sat Sep 18, 2004 4:41 pm

I am curious, why the age 30 limit for terminal ATC? And, what does a Flight Service Specialist do?

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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Sat Sep 18, 2004 9:46 pm

I'm guessing because after 30, you're not going to learn demanding skills like ATC as sharp as you would in your twenties. It's one of those weird FAA things, I guess.

I wonder if ATC guys are like "Man I bet those pilots have never done ATC before!"



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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:00 pm

I don't know about the US but with Eurocontrol, where I work, all you need is a finished school degree (I have the german Abitur for example) . Then of course you have to pass the testing including medicals and there you go! They teach you everything. No pre-knowledge needed (except for flawless english). We have to pass exams on aerodynamics, flight instruments and aircraft performance among many others. Our age limit is 25 for applicants and 27 for those with experience in aviation. I think the reason for that is as well taking into account the training and education time of up to 4 years that your learning skills are the better the younger. But a lot of my colleagues are actually flying, some on PPL some even on CPL with a small company. So whenever there is a question I know who to ask. We even have 2 former Sabena pilots that now finished training as ATC. Whenever I fly, I try to get into the cockpit but that has been made very difficult since 9.11. It is a shame though because it is taking away possibilities to meet the people that you are working with every day and discuss with them.

I wonder if ATC guys are like "Man I bet those pilots have never done ATC before!" - yes, sometimes we are!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:06 pm

Bruce:

The 30 year age limit exist because of the retirement system that controllers are involved in. Actually I think the age limit is 32. This allows them to retire by the age of 55 if they want.

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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:15 pm

Flight Service is a service with branches all over the US where pilots call to get weather briefings, NOTAMs, and other information pertinent to flight planning...the phone number is 1-800-WX-BRIEF

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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:26 am

The Community College of Beaver County (one of the CTI schools) requires every ATC student to complete PPL training.
 
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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:05 am

CCBC (comm. coll. beaver county)(alma mater) Expensive. I went there and it was $315 per credit hour if you were from out-of-state. $26 a credit hour if you lived in beaver county and also resided in the state of PA.

The flying wasn't cheap there either. $75 an hour for a PA28-161!!
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RE: Air Traffic Controller Pilot Certificates

Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:19 pm

Thanks for the info baw.

I'm doing the training here in Columbus along with all my Gen. ed. courses, so I can skip an entire semester there and save a little money. I'm still on a waitlist, hopefully I get a letter soon, I'm itching to get started.

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