beachthing
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737-700 W/ Winglets = Rocket!

Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:46 am

Hi all.

I was watching from the new SMF garage the other day prior to my flight. The conga line of southwest aircraft were taking off southbound from the eastern runway. I was estimating the winglet examples were taking off at about 3500' based on the taxiways. It was a warm day and you can bet that those friday afternoon flights were very full. The 737-300s seemed to need about 750'-1000' more. Additionally, I noticed that the winglet aircraft used less distance between rotate and main gear off the ground.

It sure was fun to get a brand new aircraft for my flight to SAN. And yes, we sure did rocket off the ground!
 
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RE: 737-700 W/ Winglets = Rocket!

Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:56 am

Just don't forget that payload and fuel load driving the takeoff gross weight are probably the biggest factor in the variation you were seeing. Unless you know how many people and how much fuel was on each departure you cannot really draw any meaningful conclusions.

That said, not all NG aircraft have winglets and the NG are great performers.
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beachthing
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RE: 737-700 W/ Winglets = Rocket!

Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:05 am

Slam, point taken. Was just talking in general.

Most flights were going to, as furthest points, SEA, SAN, PHX, maybe even a Kansas City, I think, mixed in. So no huge amounts of fuel, but not too light either.

I think Aloha now flies nonstop to HNL; that would be interesting to watch take off.
 
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RE: 737-700 W/ Winglets = Rocket!

Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:43 am

There's another reason that the -700s jump off the ground. All the engines on the -700 fleet have been upgraded from 22,000 lbs of thrust to 24,000 lbs of thrust. These "24K" engines, in addition to the winglets, really make a difference...
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Max Q
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RE: 737-700 W/ Winglets = Rocket!

Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:23 pm

Actually, thrust ratings on the NG go as high as 27,300lbs

Continentals for example are 26k.
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RE: 737-700 W/ Winglets = Rocket!

Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:25 pm

yes but WN's airplanes are all 24K, a recent upgrade that was just finished a month or so ago on all airplanes. the pilots especially love the 24K a/c with winglets.
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RE: 737-700 W/ Winglets = Rocket!

Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:56 pm

Obviously, there are other more powerful CFM56 variants out there, and my not mentioning them wasn't meant to infer that they didn't exist. I only mentioned SWA's upgrade from 22K engines to 24K engines since it was in the context of the original poster's observations of SWA (any not anyone else's) aircraft..

>>>the pilots especially love the 24K a/c with winglets.

We love them too...  Big grin

A couple of months back, before all the engine mods were done, I had three -700s coming off MDW for the west coast. One stock -700 (22K engines, no winglets). One -700 (22K engines WITH winglets). One -700 (24K engines, WITH winglets). Using the same runway/temps/pressures at MDW, the differences in max takeoff weights between the three different birds was quite noticeable. The weights on the flights with 24K engines were so much better that the flight went from being takeoff limited to being landing weight limited...

It's amazing to look back on the 737 family and see how they've "grown" the performance capabilities from the -100 with JT8D-7s to the present-day NG versions with winglets and assorted CFM variants...
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planespotting
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RE: 737-700 W/ Winglets = Rocket!

Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:11 am

So OPNLguy, i take it you are a dispatcher for southwest. I haven't made it to the dispatch area at HDQ yet but i am looking forward to getting over sometime in the near future.
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RE: 737-700 W/ Winglets = Rocket!

Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:28 am

Look me up when you get there--I'm the Mk.-1 model...  Big grin
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