asteriskceo
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LGB DP

Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:02 am

How come a DP (SID) has not been created by the FAA for the LGB runway 30 obstacle procedure? Clearance delivery seems to spend a lot of time reading the DP, why not have it as a chart? It would save so much time.
 
propjock04
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RE: LGB DP

Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:55 am

The FAA doesn't put obstacle DPs in chart form (at least that I've ever seen). The controllers don't have to read you the entire dp...only if you request it. But from what I've found, most controllers read off the obstacle dps just to make sure the pilots know what to do. You run into this quite often at EMT and POC. When reading a pilot a clearance, the controller only has to say "cleared to ____ via the LGB runway 30 obstacle dp..." because the pilots are required to have a the written description with them on board. I hope this helps...

Michael
 
asteriskceo
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RE: LGB DP

Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:43 am

Quoting Propjock04 (Reply 1):
The FAA doesn't put obstacle DPs in chart form

Doesn't PSP have an obstacle procedure chart?
 
modesto2
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RE: LGB DP

Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:35 am

What's a typical clearance at LGB entail?
 
Jeff G
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RE: LGB DP

Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:53 pm

IIRC, it's climb on runway heading until reaching 1500 feet, then turn left to another heading, maintain 3000 feet. If you're going north, then it's a 270 heading. If east, it's a 180 heading. And yes, I've also wondered why this isn't a published DP. "Cleared via the Long Beach 2 departure, east transition (or whatever), then as filed, maintain 3000, squawk 1234." Much easier.
 
asteriskceo
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RE: LGB DP

Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:58 am

Quoting Jeff G (Reply 4):
"Cleared via the Long Beach 2 departure, east transition (or whatever), then as filed, maintain 3000, squawk 1234." Much easier.

Exactly.
Long Beach Airport is a very busy airport. Although airline traffic is pretty light, the VFR and other IFR departures are not. Reading the obstacle procedure seems like a waiste of time and just hogs the radio.

Who would I write to address the issue?

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