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A/C Standing On Tail At Ramp

Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:05 pm

We've all seen pictures of various aircraft, usually cargo, standing on their tails after improper loading/unloading of cargo. My question is how do they get the planes back down to level again. It would be pretty funny if they just shifted the weight back forward again and let the nose come down, but i doubt that is the case. Crane? Airbags? Couple thousand rampers holding it down?
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RE: A/C Standing On Tail At Ramp

Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:50 pm

my understanding is that you set up cranes to lift the rear section, as well as cranes to slowly lower the front of the a/c. i doubt that any local emergancy service would have enough airbags to lift an a/c back into it's proper position.
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RE: A/C Standing On Tail At Ramp

Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:52 pm

They just have the F/A slowly walk back to the front of the plane. Just kidding.

Airbags usually and or a combination or using mechanical devices to pull some cargo uphill in the cargo hold to decrease the amount of lifting required at the rear of the aircraft. That's assuming someone was not trapped behind a pallet of freight that goes rolling down hill in a hurry.

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RE: A/C Standing On Tail At Ramp

Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:00 pm

I don't have an answer to your questions however I do have a video of a planet airways 727 going on it its tail. I can e-mail it to you. I'm also looking for someone to host it so I can link it from a post over in the civil av section.

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RE: A/C Standing On Tail At Ramp

Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:17 pm

Depends on how it ended up on it's butt in the first place.

About 1997 there was a windstorm at GFK and a Fed-Ex 727 ended up on it's tail. All they had to do to get it back down after was have a guy walk to the nose of the airplane after the storm ended.

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RE: A/C Standing On Tail At Ramp

Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:33 pm

We had a jumbo sit on its tail at PanAm back in the late 80's. Al we did was have people move forward through the cabin until it nose came back down. Then we ballasted the forward pit to keep the nose on the ground.
 
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RE: A/C Standing On Tail At Ramp

Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:12 am

If the plane is on its tail, and everyone just moved forward to bring the nose back down, wouldn't that be a little hard on the nose gear?



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RE: A/C Standing On Tail At Ramp

Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:48 am

Not really. Our situation was that the body gear retracted and allowed the aircraft to pivot aft. There was minimal damage to the APU doors and just crushed a drain mast. Adding some weight forward at small increments forced the nose of the aircraft down. It didn't slam down, it just started down and settled on the nose gear as weight was added. Much lighter than a normal landing.
 
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RE: A/C Standing On Tail At Ramp

Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:23 pm

Well you don't all run up to the nose as fast as you can CanadianNorth.

Think of it like a teetertotter.

There is a balance point where you can control the position.

Besides as Air2gxs mentioned, a landing isn't exactly a particluarly soft event for a nosegear strut in the first place.
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