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What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:34 am

I know this would be very far out but the thought crossed my mind earlier today when i was taking a final exam. What would it take to save 1 or 2 of each type of plane in the god forsaken arizona desert restore them and fly them on a regular basis. How cool would an A.net airline be that flys only salvaged a/c

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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:50 am

1. Lots of money
2. Lots of investors
3. Lots of connections
4. Lots of luck
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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:14 pm

5. A good business plan
 
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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:41 pm

Your idea eh? I think not! I proposed a similar idea in a recent discussion! HA HA!  Big grin
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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:18 pm

And not forgetting:

6. Lots of money!
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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:44 pm

Well, first of all you will need to get the aircraft into a flyable state on location in the desert. Then you have to get it to hangar. Where you will be required to overhaul it to the most recent check package.

If its been in the desert for a number of years, you can guarentee it will be overdue a C Check. Maybe even a D check. This will cost you a few million dollars and a crap load of time in the hangar. I think current D checks can take near 20 days to complete on a 24hr shift basis...

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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:58 pm

The big problem that you face is the business plan. One might presume that passengers buying tickets are the main support of conventional airlines. Your problem is that airline passengers are about the least romantic people out there. They want only three things out of an airline:

1. Cheap
2. Allows them to show up at departure time but still gets them to destination on time.
3. Cheap

Passengers who are the big revenue source in this industry are not in love with flying. Most of them hate flying. They are just in a hurry to get to Cleveland. Most of them don't even want to be aware that they are in an airplane. They want to think of it as a long narrow movie theater that serves booze. They especially don't want to think they are on board an old airplane.

So where is your cashflow coming from? Museum-goers? I love to spend hours in a good museum but I don't want to be two thousand miles from my car when I come out.

No, I think maybe it is up to private enthusiasts to keep them alive. What we need is a hundred John Travoltas.

Or maybe not.
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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:26 am

The most common killer of new airlines - lack of capital. Never underestimate just how much money it takes, up front.
 
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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:41 pm

A few Important ones :-

A lot of Money.
Good Management.
Effective Workforce.
Luck.
Good Lobby with Govt.
Good Strategy or Plan.

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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:08 pm

Money, luck and an ego the size of Texas.

I work very closely with an airline owner and you should see him talk to a bank manager (he'd be real scary selling second hand cars as he could sell you anything). You need unbelivable coinfindence and will power to run an airline.

Also cash flow can look good on the business plan but you must build up reserves for planned (eg maintenance checks) and unplaned events (e.g. bird takes out your engine, pilot does hard landing and buckles your plane, US decides to put on of your destinations on the do not visit list, dollars crashes and your contract signed in dollars, fuel price goes up, SARS hits asia etc etc etc) I know you can get insurance but it costs and you may await pay out.

2% return is considered good for an airline....... why bother if you have a lot of money put it in the bank and you'll at least get that return.

As the old boys say

IF YOU CAN FLOAT IT, FLY IT OR F*** IT, LEASE IT
 
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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:01 am

Not forgetting a desire to give away all your money.
 
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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 2:01 am

The best way to make a small fortune in aviation is to start with a large fortune.
 
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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:03 am

Oh and be sure you won't get put out of business by WN. You need to find some tatics that will get people to your airline. For instance Free Direct TV or Free PTVs with headsets,free alcohol like Horizon Airlines. You need to ask yourself questions like Why will people fly my airline? Who is my clients business people,leisure or both?,What aircrafts should I use?(Boeing 777,Airbus 340,380 for longhauls and transcontinental).If you use the Boeing 777 for all US flights over 900 miles you will increase the comfort for your passengers,have entertainment,be be able to fly more passengers at one time. For short haul you could use a 737 or Airbus 320. But be sure you can let the passengers select their seats. Oh and also you could have an option where the passenger pays more and gets a first class meal even in coach. In F/C this meal is included but if the passenger in coach wants the F/C meal he or she will pay but the food will be high quality served on nice plates etc. You see even in coach a good meal is important from a nutrition point of view. Any unappetizing chicken will go to waste.

Also the business plan is very important. Without a plan you'r company will go into Chapter 11 before you can say"I'm the President of such and such an airline".

I want to own my own airline. And yes I have thought about so many approaches and it's tough. But the main thing now it's a dream not reality because of the crises of the other airlines. Dream on and I hope your dreams will come true and that you will have an airline that makes profit.

Good luck Smile.
 
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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Mon Jan 03, 2005 12:39 pm

I think bottom line would be cool but never going to happen and I think I speak for all when I say everyone on this site's dream would be to own their own airline but 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time not going to happen! Am I right fellas

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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:09 pm

A couple months ago I met a guy that helped start an airline (they fly a PC-12 BFF-LBF-GRI-LNK-OMA and back a couple times a day), he was kind of the guy that knew all the rich people who funded the thing.

He said the hardest/most expensive part was getting (and now maintaining) a part 121 certificate, that and getting the essential air service grant and subsidization that they wouldn't make a profit without.
 
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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:05 pm

If you are a billionaire and want to become a millionaire... then start your own airline !  Big grin
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RE: What Does It Take To Start An Airline?

Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:00 am

I know this would be very far out but the thought crossed my mind earlier today when i was taking a final exam.

Excuse me this should be out of topic but what did you get from your final exam while you were thinking about starting airline instead of writing the answers?Man I just get out from a history final exam two hour ago and hell I only had enough time to finish all the questions let alone dreaming about anything else.
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