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Emergency Ditching Procedures Question

Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:07 pm

I noticed that Airbus talks about sea swells and how to judge the sea when ditching in their A310 manual. But Air Canada does not mention this in their emergency manuals for the A319,320 and 321. Why the difference in this very important emergency procedure?
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RE: Emergency Ditching Procedures Question

Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:15 pm

Do they fly long routes over water?
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RE: Emergency Ditching Procedures Question

Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:24 pm

Perhaps they figure it would be insulting to Canadian pilots to suggest they lack floatplane/water-judgement skills...

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RE: Emergency Ditching Procedures Question

Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:46 pm

Most Canadian pilots have come up through the flying instructor route, I think. So it wouldn't be presumptuous to think that they don't have float experience.

AC 320's fly to the Caribbean, so there are overwater routes. There are only a few aircraft so equipped, though - 213 to 217, 257 to 261, and 465 to 467 - I might be a number or two off there. Perhaps you saw the manual for one of the non-overwater flying aircraft.

Seems like something you'd want to have in there, though.
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RE: Emergency Ditching Procedures Question

Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:22 pm

I am not sure what manual you are looking at, but Ditching procedures are in my Air Canada A319/320/321 manuals. (Which are current, by the way!)

The procedures, nose attitudes, notes etc, are in the QRH ... expanded in Vol1 ... then explained in detail, including sea assessment in the Flight Crew Training Manual for the A319/320/321.
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RE: Emergency Ditching Procedures Question

Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:12 am

I was looking in Emergency Procedures Section 1.13 which does not mention the sea. This is manual 1 so I will check the other 4 manuals to see if this is mentioned.
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RE: Emergency Ditching Procedures Question

Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:43 am

Do you have access to the Flight Crew Training Manual? This is a very large (400+ pages) publication that gives a "how to" to just about everything involved with the A319/320/321. It is published "in house" by Air Canada's training department, and has a very comprehensive explanation with regard to ditching.
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RE: Emergency Ditching Procedures Question

Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:29 am

I have access to the five A319/320/321 manuals but I do not think they include the Flight Crew Training Manual. I will double check on that.
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RE: Emergency Ditching Procedures Question

Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:24 am

Also ... just checking, the sea assessment part of ditching is also in the Flight Ops Manual, as it is not aircraft type specific.
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