nonrvsmdmf
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Drvsm North America

Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:42 pm

I am just curious how many of the majors are actually going to
make the deadline for DRVSM. It goes into effect on Jan 20
and the last flights I took, the pilots said they were not ready.

Does anyone know?
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OPNLguy
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RE: Drvsm North America

Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:49 pm

SWA is ready...

We've been filing "/Q" on our ATC equipment suffix (i.e. "T/B737/Q" ) since January 5th, although actual operations at the revised altitudes won't start until the 20th.
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nonrvsmdmf
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RE: Drvsm North America

Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:54 pm

Thanks OPNL guy. We have been using /Q and /W since about
05Jan also.
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AAR90
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RE: Drvsm North America

Mon Jan 10, 2005 2:12 am

The company email I saw this past week said AA & AE planes are ready, but the software programming (SABRE database info) hasn't been completed for all the planes (more than 1,000 individual entries). This was expected to be completed next week (15th).
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nonrvsmdmf
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RE: Drvsm North America

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:22 am

Hopefully the transition will go better than when RVSM started in
Europe. The middle east transition went fine with the exception
of Pakistan that decided to cap their airspace at FL390 and did
not tell anyone.
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UAL Bagsmasher
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RE: Drvsm North America

Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:17 am

Most of our CRJs have the critical area placards installed, but they have been coming off after a few flights. I think we are going to switch from decals to paint. That being said, I am going to RVSM class tonight. Big grin
 
nonrvsmdmf
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RE: Drvsm North America

Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:50 pm

UAL, you lost me.

I have no idea what you are talking about.
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OPNLguy
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RE: Drvsm North America

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:16 pm

>>>Most of our CRJs have the critical area placards installed, but they have been coming off after a few flights. I think we are going to switch from decals to paint.

From the article below:

Moreover, calibration of the static system becomes more critical at higher altitude. A large jet can have a 500-1,000-ft. error at cruising altitudes owing to pressure changes at the static ports resulting from the airflow around the aircraft. These errors can be calibrated out by modern air data systems, Hansman says.

I presume he's referring to info to be affixed near the static ports, to increase awareness of ground/MX folks to treat these things with proper "respect."

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_awst_story.jsp?id=news/01105air.xml
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CFIcraigAPA
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RE: Drvsm North America

Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:57 pm

What is the "D" for in DRVSM?
Never heard that before.
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Contact_tower
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RE: Drvsm North America

Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:38 pm

"Domestic RVSM" I belive!  Big thumbs up
 
nonrvsmdmf
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RE: Drvsm North America

Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:51 pm

Contact_tower is correct, D stands for Domestic RVSM..leave it
to the FAA need a different name....

Thanks OPNL again, that would make sense.
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RE: Drvsm North America

Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:47 am

"What is the "D" for in DRVSM?
Never heard that before.
CM"

DRVSM is the name of the FAA program. RVSM is what will happen.

I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
 
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RE: Drvsm North America

Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:58 am

All Part 121 aircarft are done and the only a/c that might have issues would be some of the Bizjets... but even then there not grounded..... they just can't go high.
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RE: Drvsm North America

Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:00 am

The weirdest thing is going to be now thinking of FL310, FL350, and FL390 as -eastbound- altitudes.

The former FL310, FL350, and FL390 were westbound altitudes for eons, I'm going to have to re-train my brain to not to see them as "errors" now on eastbound flights.
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RE: Drvsm North America

Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:38 am

9E is...we got all our packets and stuff and the placards are in the airplanes.


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RE: Drvsm North America

Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:28 pm

Well, went to RVSM class the other night. Basically what I got out of it is how expensive it is going to be and how many things will cause an aircraft to lose its RVSM qualification. All aircraft have to be "contour mapped" before getting RVSM certified. Autopilot must be working, with altitude hold to within +-65 feet. Any chipped paint over rivet heads in the critical area must be sanded down to make them smooth. We are only allowed 0.007" of imperfection in the critical area. How one can measure 0.007" of imperfection is going to be interesting. Our service checks will now have the added item of RVSM critical area inspection to recertify it. There are a great number of MEL items which will remove the RVSM qualification from the aircraft. It's going to be a real learning experience, that's for sure.

Several types of damage repair in the RVSM critical area will require a "remapping" of the contour of the RVSM area, which can only be done by a 3rd party contractor. Results of the remapping have to be interpreted by Bombardier. All said and done, the airplane will be grounded for several days. It sounds like DRVSM is going to further strain financially strapped airlines.
 
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RE: Drvsm North America

Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:55 pm

I read in B/CA a few months ago that there is a huge backlog to get much of the US registered bizjet fleet to RVSM standards...is there any updates on this??

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nonrvsmdmf
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RE: Drvsm North America

Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:29 pm

Greg,

The majority of our clients are certified already. Can't help
you with the ones that are not our clients.
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RE: Drvsm North America

Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:27 am

From what we were told, bizjets are allowed to be exempt from DRVSM as long as they cruise above FL 410. They will be allowed to climb through the RVSM altitudes so long as they don't cruise there.
 
nonrvsmdmf
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RE: Drvsm North America

Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:43 am

UAL what you have been told about bizjet exemtion is incorrect.

There is no guarantee that a non-rvsm aircraft will be allowed to
climb/descend through RVSM airspace. In order for this to
happen, the aircraft must be able to climb direct to FL430 with
no step climbs. This is all subject to the amount of traffic in
the area. If allowed ATC must apply the non-rvsm seperation
standards.

What we have been told is there will only be 4 non-RVSM climbling
slots an hour per sector. The exception is CLE center who has
already said if you are non-RVSM plan on staying at FL280 or
below no exceptions. The problem is one center may allow the
climb above but the destination center will reject it so you will
be stuck at FL280 or below.

Right now if an aircraft is non-RVSM I will treat the flight like
in Eurocontrol airspace and will file them at FL280 or below.
If the capt can negotiate a climb through that would be great.
I never want to "assume" that the capt can get something better.
That way if it is a fuel critical flight and I plan it conservative
there will not be a safety of flight issue.
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saab2000
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RE: Drvsm North America

Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:34 am

RVSM was introduced to Europe when I was flying there. It was my experience that RVSM, in addition to other improvements with Euro Control, improved punctuality immensely.

It might do the same thing in the US, but I doubt it. I fly a lot now on the east coast and most of our flying is done below the RVSM altitudes, yet we are significantly delayed anyway.

In Europe many delays were airway related. In the US many delays are related to congestion in terminal areas and RVSM will not help.

Having said that, I hope it helps a bit. Surely it cannot hurt.
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timz
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RE: Drvsm North America

Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:41 am

I see they've been using RVSM over the Pacific already-- that doesn't include the US-Hawaii tracks?
 
nonrvsmdmf
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RE: Drvsm North America

Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:55 am

Timz,

The Pacific has been RVSM for quite sometime. The tracks
US-Hawaii are not exempted, they are RVSM also.

I also received conformation yesterday that Mexico, Central
America and South America will also be going RVSM on 20Jan.
That would leave Russia, the majority of the African continent
and China as the largest remaining non-RVSM areas.
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