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High Speed Tape

Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:50 pm

I've seen high speed tape applied on aircraft for what I assume are quick fixes later addressed in more depth.
That tape must have some pretty tough glue, as it's got to resist the fast moving air over it.
My questions are:
How tough is it to remove?
Is the glue strong enough that it peels the paint off when removed?
Are there any chemicals used to make it easier to remove?
What kinds of fixes are allowed to be done with it, and which are not?

Info appreciated,
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RE: High Speed Tape

Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:51 pm

Never seen any tape for a temporary repair on an aircraft, not even a seat cushion. There is "100 mile an hour" tape, but it's just good tape.
 
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RE: High Speed Tape

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:13 pm

We've used High speed tape to hold down Panels that are not Streamlined temporarily until repairs are carried out.
Its Important that the Area near the LE of the Tape is well applied to prevent peeling.
A Good Paint job will not peel.
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RE: High Speed Tape

Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:30 pm

Speed tape is a thick aluminium foil whci is coated on one side with an adhesive.

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RE: High Speed Tape

Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:52 pm

Speed tape is used for temporary repairs to areas subject to highspeed airflow.
It's used on dented leading edges which if within allowable limits are first filled with a filler(some type of sealer or putty) to regain the shape of the leading edge and then covered with speed tape to act mainly as an erosion barrier. Another place I've seen speed tape temp repairs are on composite panels. Wing leading edge closeout panels, cowls, flaps, others can be temp repaired with speed tape. Say you find a crack in a LE panel. If it is within SRM(structural repair manual) limits you can stop drill the ends of the crack, cover it with speed tape, and identify it as a temp repair. Then it is reinspected at regular intervals by pulling up the tape and determining if the crack has progressed beyond the stop drill hole. If it hasn't you put new tape on the same as before. If it has you may or may not be able to stop drill the new portion of the crack depending on the limits for that panel. If you can't you either have to replace or permanently repair the panel. If you can then you are good to go.

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RE: High Speed Tape

Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:31 pm

There's always 1,000 mile an hour tape....in the Navy, that's just a nice duct tape...seems to work allright  Laugh out loud

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RE: High Speed Tape

Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:24 am

I have used Speed tape to lay over a C-5 pilots windshield where it meets the window frame to keep it from whistling, lasted all ther way from South America, to the North-East USA without peeling off.

We are always using it on the C-17, where latches are broken, or where the composites are damaged. Keep in mind we only use the stuff when en-route, and have no other means. Also it can only be used where structural integrity would not be compromised.

When you have minor damage, and are en-route, it is a mechanics best friend sometimes.

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RE: High Speed Tape

Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:28 am

One of the reasons speed tape is used on composite panels is to exclude mositure. Moisture in a composite (honeycomb) panel can lead to further damage due to ice formation at altitude.

 
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RE: High Speed Tape

Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:50 am

To answer your questions....

It's not too bad to remove, but the longer it has been down.. the harder it is to get up. I've never seen it pull up paint. Not really, when applied correctly it can become chemical resistant, but MEK will help remove any glue residue. I've used it to protect a windshield hump repair, temp repair over exposed composite... things like that.

Now just as an FYI.... It is pretty expensive per roll ($70-$90) and actually has pretty sharp edges... it can and has cut people.
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RE: High Speed Tape

Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:23 pm

HAWK21M wrote, "A Good Paint job will not peel."
Actually it will, but it would depend on how badly the base surface has been prepped. A poorly prepped paint job can in fact be jet-washed away!!
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RE: High Speed Tape

Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:04 am

Actually it will, but it would depend on how badly the base surface has been prepped
Wouldn't base surface preparation be a part of the paint job  Smile
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RE: High Speed Tape

Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:57 am

I'm a painter, and to answer your question, then I'd have to say no, technically it isn't considered part of the paint job, only part of the preperation job. Painters hate to be likened to preppers, as do preppers hate to be likened to painters! (And then there's mechs and panel beaters, but we won't go there!!....grease monkeys!) But in general, out of the trade, then you are in fact quite right in assuming both are one of the same! Probably just an in-job trait that makes us so fussy about each others work!!
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RE: High Speed Tape

Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:58 pm

Do Painters apply the primer coat.
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RE: High Speed Tape

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:00 am

Depends on how big the job is. If it's a small job then a refinisher (prepper) can apply the epoxy/etch primer/high-build/non-sanding primer themselve. Normally, if any sanding work has been done, and with that I mean filler work, filing or welding, the prepper will get the job ready for the painters so all they'll have to do is just apply Paint. The two procedures are totally different, but as I stated above, to an outsider then all the customer sees is a nice paintjob!
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RE: High Speed Tape

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:43 am

The most common use for speed tape that I`ve seen is to cover PRC ( a sealant) that hasn`t quite dried before departure. When replacing many panels, PRC is used to seal the edges, and until it is cured, the airflow can spread it around, making a mess. Put a thin layer of DC4 (silicon) on top of the PRC, then tape over top, and off you go. It looks a little funny, but it works. I`ve seen passengers looking at a windshield that had this treatment, and wonder if the tape was holding the window in! Use the handle of a screwdriver to really work out all the wrinkles on the tape, especially the leading edge, and it`ll stick no problem.
 
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RE: High Speed Tape

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:17 am

We use speed tape on the leading edges of our forward equipment doors on the CRJ due to erosion. Funny thing is, even the speed tape gets eroded over time.
 
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RE: High Speed Tape

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:08 pm

UAL- We used erosion tape (go figure!) on the fwd doors on the Dash 8, as well as on the landing light lenses, and other areas prone to erosion. Occasional replacement is necessary due to yellowing of the tape, but it works well and looks good.
 
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RE: High Speed Tape

Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:33 pm

The High speed tape LE tends to peel after a certain period of time if exposed to the Ram Air flow.
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