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Aircraft Dispatcher School

Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:40 pm

Anyone on here can give me some suggestion of a good dispatcher school in USA.I am going to take a shorter course(2-3weeks) for my FAA cert.
Anyone heard the Airlines Flight Dispatch Training Center and World Dispatcher School in DFW area ?Is it good?Thanks.............
 
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:45 pm

I got my ticket at the school in Dallas almost 4 years ago. I was
a great school when I went, but honestly I do not know how it
is now since they moved to the American Airlines campus.

Make sure you are really quailifed for the 2 week accelerated course
before you spend the money to come here. If you are not qualified
it is a 6 week course.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:07 pm

Quoting HS-LTA (reply 0):
Anyone on here can give me some suggestion of a good dispatcher school in USA.I am going to take a shorter course(2-3weeks) for my FAA cert.


- I'll ask this question on this thread as opposed to starting a new one or (Heaven forbid) do a search. Does the FAA have age restrictions on going to a dispatcher school? I always thought that would be an interesting job after I am able to retire in a few years from my current "non-aviation" career.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:41 pm

Quoting Nonrvsmdmf (reply 1):


Quoting Nonrvsmdmf (reply 1):
I got my ticket at the school in Dallas almost 4 years ago. I was
a great school when I went, but honestly I do not know how it
is now since they moved to the American Airlines campus.

Make sure you are really quailifed for the 2 week accelerated course
before you spend the money to come here. If you are not qualified
it is a 6 week course.


U mean the Airlines Flight Dispatch Training Center ?
I think I am fine for 2 weeks course.I am working in local airlines as dispatcher for 2 years already and just looking forward for a professional qualification.
 
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:16 pm

THeres a min age of 23 to hold a lcertificate. NO max age that i'm aware of. And i've met several people who have retired from the military and went and got the license. Its a good career if u have other income when u start.

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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:28 pm

There are several great schools around the country. The one I went to in Tucson is run by ex-TWA dispatchers.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:53 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (reply 5):
The one I went to in Tucson is run by ex-TWA dispatchers


Do u have the name or web-site?

Thanks
 
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:14 am

http://www.dispatcher.org/ The Airline Dispatcher's Federation (ADF) has a section on training as well as a lot of other good resources. Check them out.

(I posted the link because if you googled "ADF" you'd get some neo-pagan druids sites. Interesting for sure, but not what you were looking for.

I trained a number of retired airline pilots. They make outstanding students but every last one of them was amazed at how much they had to learn.

US FAR part 65 has the basic requirements.

Shop around for the cost of staying in the city where your school is located. The stay can cost more than the course.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:09 am

I agree with SlamChick -- Look around. Some schools even have special deals with hotels.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:58 am

Michigan Institute of Aeronautics has a dispatcher school. They are located at Willow Run Airport in Belleville, MI.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:55 am

HS-LTA,

Yes I meant the Airline Flight Dispatcher Training Center.

Research the schools that SlamClick sent you.

To obtain the dispatch ticket requires a set number of hours
in actual classroom setting. Hours required can be reduced
by having previous experience like your two years of dispatch
experience. Make sure when you decide the school you want to
go to can get the time requirement reduced. You will have to
submit why you think you are eligible for the time reduction. The
school will tell you what paperwork and experience would make you
eligible for the time reduction.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:37 am

As a former designated examiner, I'd second the comments to shop around. The list approved Part 65 schools at the ADF website is a good resource...

I'd also be VERY careful about taking anything other than a full (minimum 200-hour) course. There is technically no such thing (as far as FAA is concerned) as an "accelerated" or "short" course. Most simply stated, there is a full course, and that course is not required if one has -recent- experience in certain positions. Those folks (who qualify) could theoretically walk into any FSDO, present their credentials, and take the ADX written right then and there, but obviously, some tutoring would be helpful. Likewise before they take the oral/practical.

FAA will allow schools to offer limited course credit (off the 200 hours) for certain past experience(s), but some schools abuse this, and end up putting the student at risk. I know of one school (which will remain nameless) that approved several folks for "short/accelerated" courses (when they were not legally eligible for anything other than a "full" course) and FAA eventually discovered the lapses in the school's program. Some licenses were revoked until such time that folks could properly attend/pass a "full" course, and it was a costly and completely avoidable affair, especially for those who had found jobs immediately after graduation.

The best advice I can give you is two-fold:

(1) Read (for yourself) the requirements of Part 65 -very- carefully, and if there is a shread of personal doubt as to your qualifications versus the FAR requirements, contact someone at the FSDO nearest you and get it straight from the source. Also at the ADF site is a list of RDR folks that specialize in dispatcher issues--make use of them....

(2) Take anything that someone from a school (ANY school) says with a grain of salt. Some schools are more open and honest than others, i.e. some folks will do/say almost anything to put a student body in a classroom seat. The old addage from the Ronald Reagan years comes to mind; "trust, but verify."

I gave up my examiner slot in part so I could start my own school (and "do it right") but the post-9/11 industry decline put many existing dispatchers on the street, and minimized new-hire opportunities at all but a handful of airlines, and I wasn't about to misrepresent the actual hiring picture just to get business. There are some opportunities out there, not as many as in the past, but if you really want to do this as profession, keep the faith, be patient, and the right opportunity may well be out there for you...

Email if you have any additional questions....

[Edited 2005-02-25 03:40:15]
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:05 pm

Forgot to add the link to the applicable FARs...

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...w=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.4.3&idno=14

Pay particular attention to 65.57 and 65.61(d)...
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Sat Feb 26, 2005 3:07 am

For the guys and gals that are already dispatchers, is there a good website for us to hang out and share info?
 
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Sat Feb 26, 2005 3:30 am

>>>For the guys and gals that are already dispatchers, is there a good website for us to hang out and share info?

You might try...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/airlinedispatchercentral/
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Sat Feb 26, 2005 4:33 am

Interesting work - flight ops. I got my dispatcher license about halfway through my flying career. I hate to say this, but I now consider this profession to be a high priority for outsourcing. The bean counters know they can't outsource pilots yet, but this one, being less visible to the public, might be a target.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:02 am

>>>I hate to say this, but I now consider this profession to be a high priority for outsourcing.

You think the FAA will change the regs to allow it? Contract dispatching has been attempted before, and the reasons that it was disapproved before are no less valid today than they were then.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:32 am

I went to AFDTC (name since changed to IFOD) last summer, and it is a high quality school...I would recommend it highly to anyone that is planning to enter the field.  Smile

Nonrvsmdmf: Who were your instructors?

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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:11 am

It is an interesting concept, SC, and I do agree that there if the FAA were to propose such a thing, the airlines would jump on top of it like ants to sugar. Also, since contract ATC has been in play for several years now, I wouldn't be surprised if this does happen. The only thing, I believe, that would keep the FAA from ever proposing such a rule, though, is our primary purpose -- safety.

We are there for the safety of all. If we dispatchers aren't in the loop, then the PIC would have full authority of the flight, and who knows what may happen. Look at the accidents of part 135 and 121 supplemental operators. Many of the part 135 accidents could've been avoided had the flight follower had any authority regarding the safety of the flight, or the ability to pass information along like that of 121 carriers; otherwise, it falls 100% in the hands of the PIC.

If this field was contracted, I'm sure there would be quite a bit of turnover, too. Think about it for a minute: In order to keep costs low and be able to keep up with demand, each person would have to dispatch more flights, which means more stress on everyone. I certainly wouldn't want to work in a place where I would have to pump out 100+ releases a day, flight follow, deal with stations, crewmembers, and management, just to earn meager wages and stay 100% perfect in fear of losing my job if I don't. On top of that, there would probably no incentive to stay at such a place in the first place.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:50 pm

Convair990....

I went 4 years ago. You would not know my instructors as they
left after I got my ticket.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:39 am

Quoting Nonrvsmdmf (reply 19):


Cool, no problem Nonrvsmdmf....thought some of them were there for a while..
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:37 am

I just went to a job fair and one of the FAA recruiters was telling me that he went to that one down in Daytona.

Well, if I can't get a job anywhere else it is a possiblity I guess.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:18 pm

Many of the regionals are hiring, and the majors won't take people without any experience, so plan on going to a regional first. Heck, some regionals are throwing lots of benefits on top just to keep people there.  Smile
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:00 am

Quoting Goldenshield (reply 22):
Many of the regionals are hiring, and the majors won't take people without any experience, so plan on going to a regional first


Generally accurate statement - with some exceptions.

When I operated my school it was quite common for flight operations employees of various airlines to come to me to get the license, then go back to their own company and become a dispatcher. One airline even put together a special course on their own property for ten of their employees.

This route has advantages for airline and dispathcer alike. When the airline opens up dispatcher jobs internally they know everything they need to know about the people they are interviewing. Hire from outside and you are getting a "pig in a poke."

For the applicants themselves, they know the airline industry up, down and sideways before they go get their license. They have no illusions about what the job will ask of them, or return to them.

I've long thought that ramping, customer service, flight ops, even flight attendant were good background for a dispatcher because of the real-world things they teach about airline life. It is slightly less true at the largest airlines because jobs get ever more specialized in bigger companies but it is still somewhat true.

Rampers - when a plane hits the gate, the clock starts ticking. They are used to orchestrating a huge number of activities with that clock ticking behind them. It teaches a lot of practical stuff about getting planes back into the air.

Customer service - let's face it, passengers are the airline. CSAs feel the time pressure from the backlog side. They understand better than anyone the implications when flights get delayed, canceled or diverted.

Flight ops jobs, even crew scheduling - lots of knowledge gained here that is applicable to the subjects that must be taught in a dispatcher course but in a real-world context.

Flight attendant - Sort of a combination of these positions. Also f/a's get around to all the cities in the system or even work charters. You see things happen and you get a pretty good idea of what doesn't work.

Pilots of course, have knowledge and experience that translate directly to the field but they don't always have an easy time of this training. Every retired ATP I taught came up to me after the course and told me how surprised they were at how much they had to learn.
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:17 am

>>>Pilots of course, have knowledge and experience that translate directly to the field but they don't always have an easy time of this training. Every retired ATP I taught came up to me after the course and told me how surprised they were at how much they had to learn

Likewise on the ones I came across...

Now, if we can just get that realization out there to the ones still flying the line...  Wink
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:22 am

Quoting SlamClick (reply 23):
This route has advantages for airline and dispathcer alike. When the airline opens up dispatcher jobs internally they know everything they need to know about the people they are interviewing. Hire from outside and you are getting a "pig in a poke."


It's too bad that the major I worked for got rid of their assistants no less than a year before I was interested in the position. Basically, it was "No experience, no joy. Work somewhere else for 2 years before we even think about you."
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RE: Aircraft Dispatcher School

Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:04 am

Quoting Goldenshield (reply 25):
Work somewhere else for 2 years before we even think about you."


Well, that is what I get for thinking the way my father did. He and his generation promoted loyalty between employees and company. Policies like this may just be a thinly disguised method of preventing employees from building any vested interest in the company. After all, the older airlines have shown a lot of interest in dumping their retirement plans. Force workers to move around a lot and they don't get to build any longevity.
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