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A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:11 am

Hi guys,

I have some questions about A300B4, A300-600, and A310:

1. Do they share similar (or almost similar) systems?
2. Do they also share type commonalities (e.g. common ratings/CCQ)?

Thank you for reading this stupid question.

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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:51 pm

The A300-600 and A310 lack the outboard ailerons that the A300B4 has. As the NTSB has noted, the A300-600 and A310 have greater rudder sensitivity than the A300B4. Additionally, the standard A300B4s have a three-crew member cockpit, while the A300-600 and A310 are two-crew member cockpits.
 
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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:56 pm

The A300-600 received the same wing which was developed for the A310.
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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:02 pm

The A310 represented a major design change to the A300/A310 line, and the changes were incorporated in the A300-600

- New wing.
- Smaller, lighter fin made of composites.
- Glass cockpit.
- Some fly by wire components, IIRC the ailerons.
- Deleted outboard ailerons.
- Common pylons for the engine alternatives.
- Carbon brakes offered as standard.
- Wingtip fences from 1985.


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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:38 am

Troubleshooter:

>The A300-600 received the same wing which was developed for the A310.

No, it didn't. The A300-600 and A300B4 share the same wing, but the -600 is missing the outboard ailerons. Wing spans are:

A300B4 44.84m (147ft 1in)
A300-600 44.84m (147ft 1in)
A310 43.89m (144ft 0in)
 
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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:42 am

Is there any way to tell a A300B4 from a A300-600R from the outside,apart from the Wingtip.   
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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:42 am

Not long ago I came across this page about modification of airplane model kits: AMDigest
Click on Kit Modifications at the bottom. Find the line mentioning the A300B2.

Although it's about model kits, the info seems to be based on facts about the real planes and describes differences on various versions of A300/A310.  Smile

In relation to reply 5 I might add that A300-600R fuselage is 2" 4' longer than A300B4. Not much really - so it may be difficult to distinguish between the two versions when it comes to the fuselage.

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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:05 am

Is there any way to tell a A300B4 from a A300-600R from the outside,apart from the Wingtip.
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Very tricky. The -600 is actually longer, but only by a whooping 46 cm.
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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:23 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (reply 5):
Is there any way to tell a A300B4 from a A300-600R from the outside,apart from the Wingtip.


Yes, there is. The earlier A300's have a lenghty fairing along the top of the rear fuselage. If you look at these photos full-sized, you can easily see it.

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The -600 models do not have this fairing, but some have smaller, round ones in the same area:

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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:40 pm

Additionally, the standard A300B4s have a three-crew member cockpit, while the A300-600 and A310 are two-crew member cockpits.

There were a couple of B4s built with 2 man cockpit... Does anyone got a photo of one?

Is there any way to tell a A300B4 from a A300-600R from the outside,apart from the Wingtip.

Try the engine... Most (almost all) B4s had GE engines... and the -600s had PW and newer CF6 engines with different cowling shape than the B4s...

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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:50 pm

Quoting Justplanesmart (reply 8):
The earlier A300's have a lenghty fairing along the top of the rear fuselage


What was this Fairing for.Why was it eliminated on the -600.  psst 
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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:04 am

The -600 has the same rear fuselage as the A310 with the rear pressure bulkhead moved back a couple of frames. Therefore although the fuselage is only 46cms longer than the B4, in fact the -600 has two more seat rows and carries two more LD-3 containers.

The A310 and -600 have the same "glass cockpit" and fly-by-wire secondary controls ie spoilers, airbrakes, lift dumpers, slats and flaps.

They also have a carbon fibre fin and rudder and a trim tank in the tail plane.

The A310 (only) wing is new and the tip fences are different to the -600.

The two-crew B4s were sold to Garuda, Tunis Air and the charter are of Finnair whose name I can't remember. About a dozen in total.
 
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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:34 am

the A300-600 and A310 have greater rudder sensitivity than the A300B4

Wait a minute, that's not quite clear. The A300-600 is actually called the A300B4-600(R). What do you mean under the A300B4, the A300B4-100/200?


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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:57 pm

As DeltaWings states, the A300-600 is actually the A300B4-600(R)  Wink
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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:29 pm

2 crew B4-220 FFCC... 9 were built with JT9D engines... For Garuda...
AFAIK they're the only JT9D powered B4-200s... is that right?

still, any flight deck photos ?

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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Sat Mar 12, 2005 1:18 pm

China Airlines had 6 A300B4-220 (not FFCC). These had JT9D-59A engines

There were also 10 A300B4-120 and 4 A300B2-320 as well, with JT9D-59A engines.

Airbus designations in those days were confusing to say the least!

Regarding the A300-600, it can be either a -600 or a -600R I believe, the R denotes additional fuel tanks
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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:08 am

Airbus 300-B4-200 has five fuel tanks ,Airbus 300-600 has an aditional fuel tank that make it longer range than the B4-200.
Maximum T/O weight of B4-200 IS 165 TONS .
Maximum T/O weight of 300-600 is 172 Tons .
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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:17 am

A300-600 does not have a stabiliser fuel tank, the A300-600R does.
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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 9):

There were a couple of B4s built with 2 man cockpit... Does anyone got a photo of one?

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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Sat Mar 19, 2005 5:09 pm

Apart from Garuda with 9 A300B4-220FFCCs, Karair (Finnair subsidiary) did operate 2 A330-203FFCCs. I'm not sure whether Tunis Air's A300s were FFCCs though...

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RE: A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:19 pm

Quoting Garuda (Reply 19):
The fairing in the first generation A300 host the ADF antenna

Wheres the ADF antenna located on the -600.
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