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Hostility Between Airlines On Flight Deck

Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:55 pm

Hi

There's obviously fierce competition/hostility between airlines for business at a Head Office/Airport level.

Is there Flight Desk competition/hostility between airlines?

From experience (in the make believe world of MicroSoft Flight Simulator) I have taxied just that little bit faster to get ahead of an AI aircraft at a taxiway junction and I have flown a little bit faster to beat traffic to a runway. I appreciate that there are ATC restrictions. Basically, do pilots behave as Gentlemen (or Ladies) once they are out in the field?

My only real life experience was listening to my Scanner at Inverness (UK). The airport doesn't have radar and both easyJet and BA were arriving at roughly the same time. The control tower at Inverness cleared BA to land and asked easyJet to hold. The BA pilot said he wouldn't mind holding if Inverness tower wanted to let easyJet land first! However due to lack of radar and procedural seperation this wasn't possible. I heard the easyJet pilot thank the BA guy for his offer!
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RE: Hostility Between Airlines On Flight Deck

Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:01 pm

Out of my own experience as a private pilot, listening to the "big boys" and observing them, I think that between most pilots, there's still a mutual respect for one another regardless if they work for the same company or not.
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RE: Hostility Between Airlines On Flight Deck

Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:26 pm

Yes there is... but it usually flares up when everyone's fighting for landing sequence, or when traffic is light, they start throwing friendly insults at each other... Though, these are becoming rarer and rarer...

I've been on 1 flight on the jumpseat where all four of us in the flight deck sang through a take off roll (not forgetting the standard callouts)... as an insult to one particular airline here... there was no traffic through... Just us taking off and 1 taxying in...

On approach, one former A310 operator here was our victim...

It's fun, but I don't recommend it!

When on the twin prop, I've occasionally made a few fun comments on the radio, basically asking the backtracking traffic to hurry up coz we needed to go to the toilet or telling some of the military boys not to jump the sequence queue... *which ends up in a stand off on the apron once*

Oh well, those were the days...

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RE: Hostility Between Airlines On Flight Deck

Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:20 am

there is mutual respect for each other, and there is comptition definately. but there is also the FAA all over who will nick the stupidity right in the butt. it is rare to hear any goofing off on the radio these days though. usually airports are just so busy that there is no time to. on slower days i've had conversations with ground controllers while taxiing back to the ramp.

i'll never forget the day i was up at SWF waiting for TO clearance with a USANG c-5 on the opposite side. the c-5 was instructed to hold short for the fedex md-11 on final. they replied: "roger, holding for the little airplane." thats about the only time i've heard something like that.
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RE: Hostility Between Airlines On Flight Deck

Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:36 am

What about the classic "I have the little Fokker in sight"  Wink
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RE: Hostility Between Airlines On Flight Deck

Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:36 am

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 3):
there is mutual respect for each other, and there is comptition definately. but

That says it all.....
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RE: Hostility Between Airlines On Flight Deck

Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:53 am

During a flight from LAX to IAD on an UA 777, we began to hit some chop. I forget what altitude we were at, but it was something like FL370 (37,000ft?). Our pilot had left on channel 9, so I was a happy passenger. Anyway, the pilot started asking what flight levels were smoother then our current one. You could here the ATG controller asking flights in the area answering back if it was smooth or not. Then a private pilot chimed in for the fun of it. "Flight Level 510 seems smooth as can be." Then a few pilots opened their mics and let out little laughs.

In all my travels (which have been many!), I have heard a few pilots get testy. Most of my flights, you can tell they respect each other though. Or at least put on a good show that they do.  

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RE: Hostility Between Airlines On Flight Deck

Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:26 am

This one was always my favorite. Doesn't really have to do with airlines much but it still makes me laugh

"Sled Driver," SR-71/Blackbird pilot Brian Shul

I'll always remember a certain radio exchange that occurred one day as Walt (my back-seater) and I were screaming across Southern California 13 miles high.

We were monitoring various radio transmissions from other aircraft > as we entered Los Angeles airspace. Though they didn't really control us, they did monitor our movement across their scope. I heard a Cessna ask for a readout of its ground speed."90 knots" Center replied.

Moments later,a Twin Beech required the same. "120 knots" Center answered.

We weren't the only ones proud of our ground speed that day...as almost instantly an F-18 smugly transmitted, "Ah, Center, Dusty 52 requests ground speed readout." There was a slight pause, then the response, "525 knots on the ground, Dusty."

Another silent pause.

As I was thinking to myself how ripe a situation this was, I heard a familiar click of a radio transmission coming from my back-seater. It was at that precise moment I realized Walt and I had become a real crew, for we were both thinking in unison.

"Center, Aspen 20, you got a ground speed readout for us?" There was a longer than normal pause ... "Aspen, I show 1,742 knots." No further inquiries were heard on that frequency.
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RE: Hostility Between Airlines On Flight Deck

Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:07 am

Note: From the prospective of bug masher.

Of course it really depends on who's on the opposite sides of the radio, but other than some ribbing between the mainline and their connector lines (like Delta with ASA and Comair), I have not heard any hostility on the radio between the pilots myself. I am sure it happens every once in a while, but not common enough that I have heard it myself.

I think most people see it as a job, as long as they are flying and getting paid it's all good. Sometimes pilots will like to have a little fun, with aircraft like the Shorts, or Fokkers.
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RE: Hostility Between Airlines On Flight Deck

Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:47 am

I have heard on the Pearson APP frequency, an pilot flying for a certain large American carrier telling off the ATC because of a last minute runway switch. Very unprofessional. The ATC reply was to tell him to contact her manager by phone upon landing.

Other than that, very rare occurences, most hostile exchanges I've encountered occur between pilots and ATC. However, once in a while, you do hear a strained voice by pilots asking the aircraft blocking the level above them nicely to climb if they can as soon as possible.
 
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RE: Hostility Between Airlines On Flight Deck

Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:54 pm

I guess Difference of Opinions between Pilots & ATC over Radio is more common,rather than between Pilots of Two Different Airlines.
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