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What To Take To Dispatch School

Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:49 am

Hey guys, got accepted to an aircraft dispatch school, will have to start next week.

Anyway, short notice but since the state is paying for the program, I am all for it.

But since I believe there is a shortage of pilot shops on the Galena, Alaska airport, I want to know if there is any material I should bring with me. Books are supposed to be provided and I figured that both my E6B and electronic flight calculator should come up with me, as well as my normal calculator and my flight rulers.

Is there anything else I probably should bring with me that I haven't throught of?
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RE: What To Take To Dispatch School

Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:15 am

They should have either told you what to bring or told you what they would issue you. Shame on them!

I told my students to bring:

* A pocket calculator with square root function.
* Pencils with erasers. (amazes me when people do math with ink)
* Highlighters in a couple of different colors.
* A notepad divided into sections or chapters. (I could tell how well a student was going to do on the course and on the practical by watching them take notes on the first day of class.) I now favor taking notes on graph paper but that is a person choice.

I issued my students brand-new:
* Jeppesen CR-3 flight computer (six inch model)
* AC 61-23B Pilots Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge
* AC 00-6A Aviation Weather
* AC 00-45C Aviation Weather Services
(or Irv Gleim's red book that covers both of these volumes)
* ASA FAR AIM
* ASA FAR for Flight Crew

I also had a couple of self-produced handouts; a sample ops manual, a B-737 handbook with performance section and MEL, some canned-route flight planning stuff, canned weather (unless real-time weather was to be used) and a two sided formula page for flight ops math. I made my students do math problems with the CR-3 and with a pocket calculator until they were proficient with both, then they could use what they wanted.

That is all the handouts I can remember for sure.

For the written exam I was an instructor for Bill Phelps' Airline Ground Schools and taught that ATP/ADX exam prep course as part of my dispatcher school. Not taught if they came to me with the exam already passed. I still used their exam record (questions missed part) to prep them for the practical.

My course was, without a doubt, more thorough than what you are going to get. Most schools gloss over the basics and some still ignore computerized dispatch because the FARs don't require it. My students were, if anything, over-trained. Usually, though, in the last few days I could start bringing them back to real-world type flight planning. Part of this was a dispatch simulator I wrote (in BASIC on my Atari 800) that generated real looking dispatch releases and weather packages along with randomly generated MEL/CDL items.

So good luck. From what I've heard from you on this forum you should do well. If I can be of any help whatever during this course, please contact me.

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RE: What To Take To Dispatch School

Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:22 am

Well there are some logistical and communications issues that are in the way at the moment, they lost their internet connection last night. Otherwise they where supposed to email the stuff to me.

Things you have to accept when you live off the road system.

Books are supposed to be provided, so I think I will be sticking with that.

There are times where graph paper helps with notes, noticed that in my normal coursework.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 1):
Part of this was a dispatch simulator I wrote (in BASIC on my Atari 800) that generated real looking dispatch releases and weather packages along with randomly generated MEL/CDL items

On Atari Basic?

Neet, need to find a motherboard for the one we had as a kid, and maybe I will try and bum that program off you.


Thanks for the offer of help, figured it can only be a good thing to become "Legit"  wink 
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RE: What To Take To Dispatch School

Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:57 am

I see an Atari 800 in a thrift store from time to time. Twenty bucks or so. What I need for mine is a monitor. My vertical hold won't.

Sorry, I cannot offer you the dispatch simulator program. Something corrupted it and the one good copy of the file imploded. Each time I booted it got smaller until it got down to one bit (not really possible I believe) and could not be opened, run or deleted. Never seen anything like it.

Again, good luck on the course.
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RE: What To Take To Dispatch School

Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:41 am

The school I went to did provided all of that. The taught basic hand flight planning, and then computer flight planning provided by Jeppesen, a sheet to compare the two. The only thing not provided was the ASA for flight crews book.

Not only was domestic taught and practiced, but also supplemental and flag, since many students may end up working for a supplemental cargo carrier when they get their first job.

I provided my own electronic E6-B, which helped for the written. All the other times, it was fun playing with the whiz wheel.  Smile

If you want, Slamchick, perhaps I can help you to port that program, or at least what you remember, over to Visual Basic?
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RE: What To Take To Dispatch School

Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:10 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
Slamchick

Chick?
Damn! Another sex change!

Actually, I have no further need of the program. It served its purpose. I don't train dispatchers anymore, I'm in a non-aviation business now and all the software I need has already been written by someone else.
But thanks.
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RE: What To Take To Dispatch School

Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:50 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
I provided my own electronic E6-B, which helped for the written. All the other times, it was fun playing with the whiz wheel.

Hey there are times where doing in manually is the way to teach it.

That drift card in an E-6B isn't just an ice-scraper, it provides much useful aeronautical information.
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RE: What To Take To Dispatch School

Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:48 pm

Oh, should say this.

The examiners I used would not allow the use of any electronic calculator that had the capability of storing or being programmed with formulas.

It would be a shame to get all the way through the course with one calculator only to find you cannot use it on the practical.
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RE: What To Take To Dispatch School

Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:42 pm

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 7):
The examiners I used would not allow the use of any electronic calculator that had the capability of storing or being programmed with formulas.

When I had that student job giving FAA writtens at UND, we didn't allow graphing calculators for that very reason. Ditto for any PDA with an alpha-numberic keypad.

I had a half-dozen 2 dollar ones to let students borrow if they showed up with the big TI for the test.

Still had a couple of them cop an attitude, that is why my boss like having me around, I was an adult non-traditional student so didn't take any crap from either the students or the flight instructors, who usually where cockier...actually I can't say that they where generally pretty good. Only one instructor refused to belive that I would not seat him for a test with a graphinc calc.


Anyway, I fly up to Galena for the school on Saturday, starts Monday. Will have classes 6 days a week for 6 weeks. State is paying everything but some airfare (Rembursed to 500 dollars) and the testing fees.

Wish me luck, I have to run around tommorrow and get the mail stopped, arrangements with the utility companies and do laundry before the trip.
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RE: What To Take To Dispatch School

Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:53 pm

I did say was an electronic E6-B, did I not? It's FAA approved for all written tests. :P
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RE: What To Take To Dispatch School

Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:17 am

Most are Goldenshield, At least the Jeppenson techstar was as is my Sporty's one.

Found my micro and my dad's real e-6b, can't find my chart plotters for some reason, but I did locate the keys to the trigger lock for one of my rifles. That lock hasn't come off in 8 years.
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