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Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:51 am

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but if you look at the picture I have included in this post, you can see that there are some frames to the left of the artificial horizon... why are they there if there is no gauge there?

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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:51 am

Speaking of empty frames... your pic isn't showing  Wink
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:53 am

now it is  Smile

sorry about that Big grin
 
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:01 am

It's not uncommon for manufactures to leave the holes for avionics options that the airline did not purchase, or items they may offer at a later date.

The same thing happens in your car - they leave the locations for controls of all the options - including the ones you didn't buy!
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:03 am

I'm unsure of this but I believe that they are loudspeakers? (the volume control is on the glareshield above it).
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:29 am

Quoting C680 (Reply 3):
It's not uncommon for manufactures to leave the holes for avionics options that the airline did not purchase, or items they may offer at a later date.

The same thing happens in your car - they leave the locations for controls of all the options - including the ones you didn't buy!

Okay thanks, C680... your answer sounds logic... it just doesn't look very nice, but I guess most people doesn't care about that
 
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 5):
Okay thanks, C680... your answer sounds logic... it just doesn't look very nice, but I guess most people doesn't care about that

It's like a car with blank switch positions for options you didn't buy Sad
 
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:09 am

The top cutout looks about the exact same shape and size as the backup artificial horizon in the middle of the panel. As previously mentioned though, it's not at all uncommon to see that on airplanes. Almost every Cessna built, for example, has unused cutouts.
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:22 am

Artificial horizon? Nowadays we call them Attitude Indicators  cheeky 
 
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:49 pm

727EMflyer, you brought it up a generation or so, but actually now a days that indicator you are referring to is called a PFD. The primary flight display has lots of info on it, not only all the stuff a flight director has but speed & alt & trends and on & on. The other big indicator to the right of it is called the ND for navigation display
 
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:09 pm

Blanked Areas,Can be optionally used to fit in additional Equipment as & When required.
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:16 am

Abbs380, Pardon my inexperience with glass cockpits... I know the CRT/LCD is the PFD and replaces several analog instruments, but do you not still refer to that field in the display as an AI?
 
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:49 am

It's been referred to as both in most publications I've read. I think in reality, there really is no need to be so pedantic.

In the aerobatic aircraft I flew, it is often referred to as the attitude indicator. Almost everywhere else, people tend to refer to it as an aritificial horizon.

The important thing is that everyone knows what you're talking about when you refer it to by either name.
 
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:54 pm

Quoting BuckFifty (Reply 12):
The important thing is that everyone knows what you're talking about when you refer it to by either name.

I guess as long as you know what you are talking about.Although different Aircraft list their Components by different names.
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:13 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
I guess as long as you know what you are talking about.Although different Aircraft list their Components by different names.
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There is obviously a line to be drawn here. When you mention artificial horizon or attitude indicator, chances are that most non-laymen will understand what you're talking about.

But when you start bantying terms such as MCP/FCU, CPU/MCDU about, then it's a different story...
 
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RE: Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:36 pm

The upper one (square with angled corners) is an alternative location for the clock which is actually located below the Standby Horizon and Standby ASI on this aircraft, and the lower, larger, circular one is the Captain's speaker. I suspect that if you had a shot of the F/Os side The speaker would be there but the provision for the clock would be missing.

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