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Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:01 pm

I have been doing a lot of research on where I should go to school for aviation. My ultimate goal is to be an Airline Pilot. I looked at Delta Connection Academy, but it is really expensive, and I have heard bad things. Do you have any suggestions?
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:30 pm

Go to a "regular" school, get a degree not related to aviation, do all your training at local FBOs. You'll save a ton of money and get the same ratings as anyone else. Visit some FBOs before you start to get to know the instructors and see their equipment. Find an instructor that you like.
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:12 am

Nearly all of the airlines require a college BS degree as a minimum. With tens of thousands of pilots currently on lay-off, it will remain a hard market to break into for several years to come. Your best bet is to get a degree in a market you can use outside of flying as your chance of being laid-off in aviation is huge at least a few times in your career.
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:24 am

I've been at the University of North Dakota for 2 years now and I love it. I get to fly planes in class and I come away with a bachelor's degree(or 2) from a full size university. I would encourage you to check out UND. Drop me a message if you want to know more.

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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:34 am

Similar to other comments, I suggest you get a degree in a discipline besides aviation. Such an education provides you with more experience and skills besides flying. Everyone advised me to get that "other" degree as a back-up. I will stand by that decision!

I just graduated with a mechanical engineering degree at UCLA and now, I'm pursuing all my ratings at a flight academy. With a BS degree, I'm meet the minimum educational requirements for the airlines and can fall back on my engineering degree if necessary.

Good luck!
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:11 am

Another reason to get a non-related degree is that it will better prepare you for aviation as well. You're going to hear horror stories of how hard a 121 ground school is. "You have to study every second that you're away from class!" "It's like drinking from a fire hose!" I found my first 121 ground school nothing like that. It was quite enjoyable for me. Compared to some of the classes I had in college for my computer engineering degree, it wasn't hard at all.

Many of the people who find ground schools hard don't have any real classes to compare it to since they have a degree in aviation (wtf is that about?).

No offense to anyone who has an aviation degree.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:57 am

Don't forget the military. They provide the best training in the world and a flying job to boot.
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:15 am

By your question it sounds like you are not looking for a college you are looking for a flight school. First of all I agree with everyone else that you don't have to get a BS in Aviation, in fact aviation degrees are one of the hardest to complete. If you know for sure that you want to be comm pilot then I would get an easy degree to complete.

Second try to get all your primary training at a local flight school then when you get into more advanced stuff like commercial, multi-engine and CFI go to a proffesional flightschool like ATP or others. Also go to the website Jetcareers.com for more info on pro flight schools. You can go to the military but there are many conditions that you must meet in-order to get a flying job plus you don't fly that much and you may be assigend to other non-flying jobs before you have a chance to fly.
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:18 am

In fact aviation degrees are one of the hardest to complete

You're joking, right? Try med school, vet school, law school, any kind of engineering, physics, chemistry. You think ground school is hard, try antennas, fields, transmission lines. Aviation is not hard.
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:33 pm

You really should go to a normal 4 year university and get a degree. You need something to fall back upon if you cannot get a job as a pilot.
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:30 pm

I know everybody in A.net hates Embry-Riddle, but I've been in the Prescott campus for a year and I can tell you I love it. Brand new planes, excellent flying whether, and everybody talks the "airplane" language. This is the place you want to go if you want to live in an aviation fanatic environment. I actually think it is a waste of money if you want to be an engineer or something like that here, that's why there's the MIT, but that's just me.

Yes it's expensive, but so are other schools. And no I'm not a spoiled rich kid, I can't even afford a car. (although some of my classmates are spoiled)  .

The advantage at Riddle is, almost 80% applicants are admitted, and the name is very respected in the industry and you get superb training.

You will hear a lot of BS about Riddle, just as like I did before being admitted, but none of it turned out to be true.

This applies to all schools: Take tours. When it comes to picking a college, it doesn't have to be the best one, but the one you'd feel most happy joining. Plan ahead, do your research early and be sure to not miss any deadlines!!!

By reading you're profile, I can tell you are just as determined as me in being a pilot. By that I can tell you might like Riddle, and you will get a job.

Check out www.erau.edu

I'd be very happy to answer any questions you have. Good luck on your search!!!
  

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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:50 pm

I attended UND for the Fall of 2004, but I didn't take the Private Pilot course. I live in MT and I hate the cold, and don't like the fact that all of my friends were getting their lessons "weathered". I would, however, still be there, but I couldn't get my 1st class medical certificate because of my diagnosis my senior year in H.S. of Skin Cancer, all is well now, and the FAA gave me an approval after my doctor said it is okay. So I now have my medical certificate, but no where to go. I am looking at either a four-year degree or just a certificate program like ATP. I will look at Riddle, a friend of mine graduated from the Daytona Campus. Thanks guys! Swimpilot
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:53 pm

What are the options in the UK? Anybody Help?

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Ralgha
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:34 pm

I've got nothing against ERAU personally, but if you avoid it and get a real degree, you'll wind up in a better position in the long run. Getting your certificates at local FBOs or at major schools makes no difference, it's the same piece of plastic and you can do the same things with it. The name is known, true, but it's not going to open up that many doors for you, they tell you a lot to sell it to you. Another advantage to not going there is you might get some real weather experience in other parts of the country. In one of my interviews with an airline the guy doing the interview said he was continually amazed by applicants who came from Arizona and similar states that had an hour or two of actual instrument experience, if that!
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sun May 01, 2005 8:55 am

If you truly have the passion to make aviation your career, then why not get a degree in something you want to do? What good is a biology major going to do you when you flying around the country in a learjet?
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sun May 01, 2005 9:57 am

Quoting C133 (Reply 6):
Don't forget the military. They provide the best training in the world and a flying job to boot.

And you don't go broke while doing it.
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sun May 01, 2005 10:56 am

The military is too selective. I know a guy that is an Officer in the air force, graduated from the Air Force Academy top of his class and couldn't get accepted into the program because he "wasn't smart enough". Right, he is one of the brightest people I know. Everyone and their brother wants to be an air force pilot.
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline P

Sun May 01, 2005 2:02 pm

If you truly have the passion to make aviation your career, then why not get a degree in something you want to do?

Because an aviation degree is absolutly rock-bottom useless (talking about "aviation science"). If aviation is the only thing you're interested in, then you need to get out more. Most people can find a subject their interested in outside of aviation, and it's likely that it'll be a subject with a degree that's more useful. Going someplace like ERAU, in my opinion, is paying tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a worthless degree and the same certificates as everyone else.

While it's true that I'd have to do some serious studying and work really hard to actually use my degree in the workplace ten years down the road, the benefits in the now from getting it (completely unrelated to aviation), include being able to program a computer, thouroghly understand electricity, know how signals work and how their processed, and many other things.

So what you say? Because of my degree, I spent about thirty minutes of my time and had a system set up on my computer that notified me by text message on my phone if my schedule changed within twelve hours of the current time while I was flight instructing, which in turn saved me from showing up at 6am only to find that my student had cancelled without telling me, and that's just one way my degree has helped me.

Broaden your horizons, you'll be happier in the long run.
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sun May 01, 2005 2:06 pm

The military is too selective. I know a guy that is an Officer in the air force, graduated from the Air Force Academy top of his class and couldn't get accepted into the program because he "wasn't smart enough". Right, he is one of the brightest people I know. Everyone and their brother wants to be an air force pilot.

That's probably not the whole reason. There were students at our flight school who already had pilot slots in the Air Force and were getting their private pilot certificate through the IFT program. They hadn't even been, and weren't going, to the academy, they were in the ROTC program at the local university.
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Mon May 02, 2005 3:09 am

Well if you are only looking for a flight school I would say ATP. Seems like the best choice to me. You should check out there website.
I would recommend going to a college like everyone else said and than go get all your ratings.
If you up for the military I highly recommend that, they give you a job training is free. But the military is tough and you have to want to be in the military not just be there to build hours.
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Mon May 02, 2005 1:32 pm

Riddle is a good school if all you like is planes. You only get to go to college once. I would suggest going to a college where you can have the college experience. Not only that, but by attending a school that isn't so aviation intense, you can transfer more easily to another major then you can at riddle if you find out that it isn't quite your thing. Quite honestly, riddle sucks, it is in the middle of nowhere and it is a total sausage fest at the school. Most aviation schools are more guys than girls, but at least there are other people at school to choose from. Besides if you ever visit Prescott, then you will realize as I did that it is very dull. The Daytona campus is probably better, but still you have a total sausage fest until spring break comes along  Wink

UND has a very nice program, I never actually visited even though I got excepted. Mainly b/c I really like Purdue, but also b/c it is in NORTH DAKOTA. Indiana is a dull enough state to live in, but I can only imagine how bad ND could be. (though I hear that they get to do some of their flight training in Hawaii  Wink )

I looked at St. Louis University, ASU, UND, Embry Riddle, Daniel Webster's, and Purdue. I eventually chose Purdue b/c it not only has an amazing flight program, but it is a big school where you can get the college experience. Judging by your username, you look like a swimmer. At Purdue, you could probably still swim, or play water polo if you wanted to.

If you want some info or plan on applying/visiting Purdue let me know I'll be happy to help out. I can give you more detailed pros and cons from the schools I visited if you want some info.

Mainly though, look at all aspects at a school, not just the education. The education is important, but having a good time is also very important.
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Tue May 03, 2005 8:57 am

I currently go to ERAU - Daytona Beach
Aviation Business Freshman

Goin to Riddle is like goin to your local airport to hang out but only for 4 years straight. It gets old very fast. I started here as an Aeronautical Science major with my private pilots license. I am now an Aviation Business major finishing up my multi-commercial (part 61.) The ERAU flight programs is way too $$ and takes FOREVER to get anything done. i know ppl who took an entire year (2 semesters!!) to get a private multi rating at a cost of over 12,000!. A rating that can be obtained off campus in 2 weeks for less than 3,000. This school is very easy to get into and there for the ppl that go here are not the best and brightest (not engineers, those ppl are smart.) An aviation business degree allows me to get an aviation degree that also has some redundancy. I am planning on goin on to get an MBA which should be pretty good educational coverage when it comes to a back up plan.
I like this school alot more now that i don't have to waste anymore time and money in their flight program. Some of you question the "college experience" here at Riddle...no girls...all airplanes...welll that all true but enterprising young gentleman may make the 15 minute drive to Stetson University where the student population is over 70% female, also DBCC is down the road. Its all relative but ERAU has a stellar reputation and thats hard to beat. Most companies don't care where u got your training, just that you have it and you have hours.


Good Luck with your choice
Any questions feel free....

Robert

PS: Living Off campus makes this school much more enjoyable!!
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat May 07, 2005 11:10 am

I would tell you to go to UND. I have been here two years and I love it. The planes are for the most part very new, and they fly well. The instructors here are pretty good and you get a very well rounded education here. And if you think there is a problem of getting laid off in the airline industry you could come here and get a double major, in say, ATC just to be safe. There are alot of students getting that double major these days. Smart choice to have two options on the table. Drop me an email if you have any questions.
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Ralgha
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat May 07, 2005 12:30 pm

Why would you double major in something worthwhile and something worthless when you can just do a single major in something worthwhile and save yourself a lot of money, time, and stress?
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat May 14, 2005 7:20 am

why waste a few hundred thousand when you can waste double!
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat May 14, 2005 8:12 am

I attend to PEA,(www.pea.com) and am very happy. Low prices, pretty new C172 and DAB is an ok airport to fly out of. For more info, send me a pm or mail, festrus(a)hotmail.com.
I'd also recomend a degree in something else. A aviation degree is pretty useless if the aviation industry goes down the drain. I did a masters in mechanical engineering before I started flying, and do not regret that. I think I have a fair chance of getting a job one way or another, and the things I learned during that degree come pretty handy from time to time when studying for PPL, IR, CPL and other ratings.

Happy flying!
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sun May 15, 2005 2:55 pm

If you're hellbent on getting a degree in aviation, I'd suggest at least having a trade you can fall back on. While I'm obtaining all of my ratings and going to school, I'm also working on furthering myself as a professional musician and big time practicing bass guitar in hopes of breaking through with my own pipe-dream prog metal band. Additionally, I'm probably going to learn how to professionally install carpets this summer while earning cash to fly with. In other words, various trades don't hurt to learn either.
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sun May 15, 2005 8:21 pm

Swimpilot,

As you can see here, there are as many opinions on this one as there could possibly be. I think the reason for this is that there isn't one answer that works for everyone. Personally, I went the four year aviation degree route. I'm graduating in August from Parks College Of Engineering and Aviation at St. Louis University. Did I do the right thing? For me, I think so. I'm happy that I went there but at the same time I'm really happy that I'll be moving on soon.

I could go into huge detail about why I choose SLU and why I think you should go there but I'm not going to do that. Instead, I'm going to tell you that I visited four schools, and inquired about quite a few others. I mulled over my options for a number of months. You have to consider a number of personal, financial, and other factors. These don't apply to anybody here other than you.

As for what I would do if I were doing the search all over again, I would weigh as many options as possible. It may seem very daunting, but look at many schools. Consider how much it will cost, consider the options of earning a degree outside aviation, consider the options like PanAm and Delta Acadamy. Talk to not only the recruiters that tell you the things you want to hear, but talk to the students that know the "real" side of the school. Always read the fine print too. Exactly who is school X guaranting an interview with? Chances are, it's not that airline they show in the commercial. Your experience, motivation, and who you know is going to help you or harm you much more than where or what field you get your degree in.

Good luck, and do what's best for you.
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:57 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 7):
in fact aviation degrees are one of the hardest to complete.

Maybe at some schools, but definitely not at the Florida Institute of Technology. Most (not all but definitely most) of the aviation students were stoners who were flying hung over almost every time. When I was there in 1993 getting my Master's degree they had to employ an alcohol and drug testing program as the flight students were getting out of hand. They still managed to graduate and they would always ask me for help on their math homework which was only as high as college algebra. Their science classes were toned down too. At least at FIT you could get all different kinds of degrees and flight training. However, I really thought the place was way overpriced.

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modesto2
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:16 pm

I would highly recommend getting that 4-year college degree. I've met a lot of student pilots at my school that don't have a 4-year degree. They're quickly realizing that if they don't get that bachelor's degree, they'll be flying regional jets for the rest of their lives! Studying something besides aviation is a very wise move. I'm very glad that I listened to all the advice about studying something not related to aviation. It broadens your horizons and on a more practical level, it makes you more marketable if you get furloughed. College should prepare you well for flight school. Compared to college, flight school curriculum is a cake walk. You study, you learn. In college, studying doesn't necessarily result in comprehension. I've met some amazing people here but also met some folks who really need to brush up on their addition and algebra - seriously!

Get your 4-year bachelor's degree and then pursue your flying goals. Feel free to contact me with questions. I graduated from college in March and am now in a flight program. I got my Private Pilot License in 38 days and now, I'm working on my multi-engine and instrument ratings.
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:55 am

Your best bet is to attend regular school and do aviation training on the side. Hiring is all based upon demand and hiving additional education places you in a better position should you be furloughed. I have a friend who is a retired UAL captain-last flew 747-400s. I asked him how much time he had on his tickets when he hired on (back in the 1960s). His total time and ratings? Less than 600 hours, commercial, multi-engine but no IFR. He saw an ad in the Denver classifieds from UAL looking for pilots. At the interview, they noted that he had no IFR rating but gave him a class report date and told him that if he got his IFR rating by then, they would hire him as a First Officer. He was lucky in that he entered the market during a phase of growth where the demand for trained pilots far exceeded the supply. The airlines and military were virtually scouring the nation for any ablebodied male who demonstrated potential as a commercial or military pilot and was willing to take the necessary training-at company or government expense to boot. When was the last time you saw airlines putting a help wanted notice in the paper for pilots? There are too many of them out there competing for the limited number of available employment slots. Being a licensed mechanic is less glamourous but more promising at the moment. Comparatively speaking, it is also a more intense course of study and mechanics are always getting retrained due to advances in aircraft technology.
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:52 am

The University of North Dakota is a regular 4 year school that happens to have one of the best if not the best Aviation programs. I am going there, and there is plenty to do and I can also get other degrees along side of flying. Oh, and lets not forget about SIOUX hockey  Wink Its also cheaper then ERAU.

Main School website.
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Quoting Pilothighflyer (Reply 21):
Most companies don't care where u got your training, just that you have it and you have hours.

Actually thats wrong, airlines do care, and have preferred schools, like UND and ERAU, you will have the amount of hours lowered that you need to get hired going to either of the schools. Also, if there are two people one that went to UND and one that went to Joe Blow school at the local airport. Both with same amount of hours etc. You can bet that they will choose the person from UND over the other.
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:51 pm

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 23):
Why would you double major in something worthwhile and something worthless when you can just do a single major in something worthwhile and save yourself a lot of money, time, and stress?

To get a double major at UND in ATC and commercial aviation it takes like eight more credits of ATC, no more money, and not much stress at all. I think I can speak from experience, and it really does not sound like you know what you are talking about.

Also I agree with what Burnsie28 was talking about. Every year airlines such as Alaska and Horizon come to UND to hire our flight instructors. They seem to like the pilots we produce.
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:34 pm

Try SIU :-d We have some former or current SIU-C students here. regulsr four year school/univserity and a good aviation program. We have intern with a bunch of airlines and cargo airlines.

Alex
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:24 am

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 5):
Another reason to get a non-related degree is that it will better prepare you for aviation as well.

And how exactly does a non-related degree prepare you for a highly specialized field? Make you more "well rounded" and about 6 steps behind the competition?

Sorry man, but I wouldn't trade my Riddle education for anything in the world. I don't recomend flight programs, but if you love this field and are driven, field specific education is the way to go. Fly on the side and back it up with Aviation Management, Safety, ATC, Engineering or Computer Science.

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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:30 am

Simple and easy. You get what you pay for. You get out what you put in. Do it right and go to a 4 year school or scrape along at an FBO where nobody really cares about you other than your credit card.
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:30 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 31):
. Also, if there are two people one that went to UND and one that went to Joe Blow school at the local airport. Both with same amount of hours etc. You can bet that they will choose the person from UND over the other.

No, you can count on the person who interviewed best and knew their stuff, it doesn't matter where you go, just what and who you know.
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:57 am

ASU (Arizona State) has a decent pilot training program through Mesa Airlines (of all the airlines, lol). So you can get any degree while training to be a pilot. Mesa trains you to their standards and guarantee you an interview with them (not a job) when all is said and done, so not a bad deal. It's what I plan on doing while I'm working on getting a business degree.
 
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:19 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 36):
No, you can count on the person who interviewed best and knew their stuff, it doesn't matter where you go, just what and who you know.

In my experience, a university makes it easier to make connections within the industry. While what you say is true, the guy who knew someone in the airline in the above situation may be getting an interview hundreds of hours before a person off the street could.

Can you make connections outside of a university, of course. But for someone who may not be well connected or doesn't have too many friends that work in aviation, it may not be a bad idea to go to a university with connections within the industry.

GreatChecko
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Ralgha
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline P

Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:51 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 31):
Actually thats wrong, airlines do care, and have preferred schools, like UND and ERAU, you will have the amount of hours lowered that you need to get hired going to either of the schools. Also, if there are two people one that went to UND and one that went to Joe Blow school at the local airport. Both with same amount of hours etc. You can bet that they will choose the person from UND over the other.

Actually, you're wrong. You've been drinking far too much kool-aid. There are a couple airlines who lower their requirements for the people with a worn-out credit card, but they're shrinking, fast. Insurance companies are seeing to that. They don't give a rip about the school, they'll hire who they liked better in the interview, maybe that's the person from the big name school, maybe not.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 34):
And how exactly does a non-related degree prepare you for a highly specialized field? Make you more "well rounded" and about 6 steps behind the competition?

Highly specialized field? Aviation? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, you're killing me, you really are. You just try to keep telling yourself that after you've been in the industry a while. I don't have anything that resembles an aviation degree and I had an easier time in 121 ground school than most others seemed too.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 34):
Sorry man, but I wouldn't trade my Riddle education for anything in the world. I don't recomend flight programs, but if you love this field and are driven, field specific education is the way to go.

Well, your take on your Riddle education is contrary to most people from Riddle that I've talked with. Most that I've talked with wouldn't do it again. Field specific is not the way to go. You'll learn just as much from a few books, and get skills that are a hell of a lot more useful from an unrelated major.

Quoting PlainSmart (Reply 35):
Do it right and go to a 4 year school or scrape along at an FBO where nobody really cares about you other than your credit card.

Do you really think that the aviation academies really care about anything other than your money? The places that will really treat you right are the ma and pa FBOs.

Many people here have a serious case of believing the hype. All the academies want is your money, and they'll tell you anything to get it from you.

People that had aviation degrees from Riddle thought that 121 ground school was the hardest thing they ever did. I, with my lowly unrelated engineering degree thought that 121 ground school was a relaxing change from college. Now, who was prepared better?
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PlainSmart
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:00 pm

I have never seen one so opposed and so full of their ability to get through a 121 ground school that really shouldn't be the hardest thing anyway. You have got to be kidding me about getting better treatment from a mom and pa FBO. These are the same people giving you that better treatment and telling you to ignore the "regular" oil leak or the fact that a faulty carb was installed with bad paperwork. That is definitely treating me right. Schools have scholarships and many ways of getting a lot back you just have to know where to look and have the ability.
 
INTENSS
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 pm

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 13):
I've got nothing against ERAU personally, but if you avoid it and get a real degree, you'll wind up in a better position in the long run.

"Real degree" ?? ERAU has fake degrees?

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 17):
Because an aviation degree is absolutly rock-bottom useless (talking about "aviation science"). If aviation is the only thing you're interested in, then you need to get out more. Most people can find a subject their interested in outside of aviation, and it's likely that it'll be a subject with a degree that's more useful. Going someplace like ERAU, in my opinion, is paying tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a worthless degree and the same certificates as everyone else.

You haven't a clue what you're talking about. You must think that Riddle only offers Aeronautical Science "flying" majors. Get your head out of your ass and you'll see the school offers a lot more. True, most are aviation oriented - but the basic foundations of most programs give you the ability to move outside of aviation if the economy warrants it.

BTW - and aviation degree isn't remotely useless if the person has the desire to do that with their career. In addition, going to Riddle, UND, Daniel Webster, Purdue, etc. increases your chance of interviewing with an alumni. You think that doesn't increase your chances of landing the job? Think again.

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Woodreau
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:06 pm

Wow lots of hostility here

There are an infinite combinations of ways to get into an airline seat. I think you should examine your goals, and devise a means to get there.

You do need a college degree. You do need all your pilot certificates. Only you can determine what's the best way for you to get there.

I do know of several people who did go to Delta Connection Academy. The two where I do know the details, one person has spent over $170,000 (all loans) for his time at Delta Academy and is now finally getting into his first job as a FO at a regional airline. I have no idea how he is going pay it all back on his meager FO pay.

The other person got her commercial, instrument, and multiengine at Delta Academy, and was quoted $45000, but ended up paying $80000. (again all loans)

Both and several others I know who came from Delta Academy all expressed that it's overpriced and wished they'd done it a different way.

I double majored in Physics and Photojournalism. And after college I got a non-aviation job that paid well relatively well - (not much in the beginning at the bottom of the totem pole, but much better as I worked my way up.) I used the disposable income from the job I enjoyed doing, but didn't particularly care to do any longer to finance my flight training. At the height of my training, I had about $2,000/month in disposable income that mostly all went into aviation - all part 61 through FBOs private to CFI. Then I quit my $80,000/year job and gave it up for a $16,000/year job as an FO for a regional airline.

So now I'm starting at the bottom of the totem pole again. One reality that has sunk in now... before I was an FO, I enjoyed flying Angel Flights and just being in control of my own destiny when I was flying. Now I still enjoy flying for the airline, but I can't afford to rent a Cessna 172 to do any personal flying, much less Angel Flights. But I do have solace in knowing that unlike many of the people who took out loans for the flight academies and similar flight training schools, I am not carrying any debt from college or flight training. The only thing I have to worry about now is just my mortgage note, and insurance.

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B744F
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:17 pm

Ok so the major airlines hire people with college degrees, are there any pilots without them? Also, what about cargo companies, do they also require a degree?
 
powerofpi
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:28 pm

I recently spoke with an ATLAS air 747-400F pilot and he only had a 2 year and recieved his initial training from the local flight school.
 
preludespeeder
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:56 am

I am currently in the process to becoming an airline pilot and I am going to a straight flight school that offers a whole program from no hours to cif. They even help with placement in the airlines. From my current knowledge the only way to get into the airlines is to start in the regionals and work up your hours there while getting airline experience. Most regionals will hire much earlier then any regular airline. The school I am looking into is pan am flight academy. There website is:
www.panamacademy.com/career.asp?ID=56

getting a degree before is up to the person, I have a two year right now and am opting to get into the regionals then finish a four year while there, personal option there. Get a degree though that interest you, not what others get, four year degree is all the same, the degree just rates the applicants into certain hiring orders, meaning those who do not have one usually get called last.
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fspilot747
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:25 am

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 1):
do all your training at local FBOs. You'll save a ton of money and get the same ratings as anyone else.

No offense to the author of the above, but that hasn't been true in a long time. FBO's are becoming way too expensive as of late, and the training I have experienced has been unorganized (of course, not everywhere, but most of the places I've trained at). The only thing I would suggest doing at a mom and pop style FBO is your Private Pilot License and your Instrument. You need the foundation, but be careful to check out the FBO's and ask for rates beforehand. Go to an accelerated program for things like your commercial, multi, and there are some good CFI programs that'll save you a lot of money.

A lot of people will disagree with me, but stay away from Part 61 style training, unless your CFI is using and sharing with you a syllabus (Jeppesen for example, or another pre-made syllabus, doesn't matter who made it as long as it is credible).

I do, however, agree with everyone who says to get a non-aviation degree. A degree in "flying airplanes" isn't going to do squat for you, especially if you lose your job.

Then again, maybe I just had isolated experiences at my FBO's. Spent way too much money, and things just took too long unecessarily. Lenair in SoCal was pretty decent compared to the rest, I got things done fast and the training was great, top notch facility too.

Good luck,
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spirtofalaska
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:58 pm

Quoting Bridogger6 (Reply 37):
ASU (Arizona State) has a decent pilot training program through Mesa Airlines (of all the airlines, lol). So you can get any degree while training to be a pilot. Mesa trains you to their standards and guarantee you an interview with them (not a job) when all is said and done, so not a bad deal. It's what I plan on doing while I'm working on getting a business degree.

I was signed up to go to the San Juan College In farmington, ( this school is ran for Mesa Airlines as Well ) But my dad backed out of my 60 thousand dollar loan 2 weeks before school started, so i was screwed, and ened up not going, All i can say, is it looked good before, and even better now. The girl i was going to move in with Just emailed me last week, and she just got hired by US Air to fly the ERJ. So i know that programs works. She spent roughly 65 thousand.
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saab2000
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:51 am

Get a degree in something as a fall back. Then go to a real flight school, like FlightSafety.

Getting your training at the FBO is not how to become an airline pilot. Yes, you will save money and you will get the same ratings. But odds are that you will miss out on a lot.

I did my US licenses with FlightSafety and consider it to have been money well spent.

Don't skimp on training. And don't go to the first airline that offers you an ERJ job. They are a dime a dozen and some are just plain bad jobs. Don't have any illusions right now. First year pay at the so-called "regionals" is pathetic and it does not get much better in subsequent years.

But if you really want to fly, go to a real school. FlightSafety is my recommendation. I am not paid to say that.
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PlainSmart
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RE: Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot

Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:52 am

Yah I completely agree don't skimp on training. I also really like to see someone who doesn't just jump at the first flight job. I just get so sick of these people selling their souls for flight jobs. They sure are a dime a dozen they are just useing these people for employment.

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