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Ground Ops Question

Sun May 29, 2005 4:00 pm

I was just hired for a ground ops position, and I'm heading into the training next month for two weeks, I was curious as what to expect? They said there would be tests daily, would it be on how to operate the machinery etc?
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Sun May 29, 2005 4:21 pm

what you have learnt, work place safety, machinery, give way rules etc
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Mon May 30, 2005 2:43 am

Ramping? Hazardous material was a big issue as far as theory goes. Then familiarity with the aircraft types handled, how to operate the machinery, how to get those trolley trains right up to the highloaders, stacking bags (which is an artform), stacking bags quickly (even more of an artform)...
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Mon May 30, 2005 3:30 am

Another good thing to know and understand, is having situational awareness. The ramp can be a busy place, and knowing where other vehicles are, and being prepared for any possibility is a must. Know your vehicles abilities and faults. Oh, and don't do donuts.  Smile
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Mon May 30, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 3):
Know your vehicles abilities and faults. Oh, and don't do donuts.

donuts are required of your using lektro tugs  Smile
 
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Mon May 30, 2005 12:19 pm

You will have to demonstrate how bigger wheelie you can do in a baggage tug to your instructor.
 
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Mon May 30, 2005 1:57 pm

Check your Vehicles Brakes before starting out.Follow the rules on the Ramp.
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:58 am

Aircraft marshalling signals might be important.
 
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting TwinCommander (Reply 4):
donuts are required of your using lektro tugs

I almost rolled one once, that would have been very bad.

Been on two wheels a few times.
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:15 am

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 8):
Quoting TwinCommander (Reply 4):
donuts are required of your using lektro tugs

I almost rolled one once, that would have been very bad.

Been on two wheels a few times.

HAHA!

the smaller wheel base ones are notorious for the dreaded 2 wheel boogy. however, when you get on the big red or the new super big red, you can park one of the drive wheels and just throw the passenger end at a nice G-rate.

its fun, but make sure you do it on a VERY black ramp  Smile

also, the big reds do awesome burnouts  Smile
 
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:54 am

You HAVE to always have situational awareness (keep your head up). I see complacency and a lack of respect towards machinery on a daily basis, and it DOES catch up to you.

Sadly, tragedy happens in the blink of an eye, as it did this morning with the ramper in DCA.
 
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:01 am

MY advice. Play a lot of Tetris before you get into the bin to satck for the first time. Seriously though, being a ramper is a tough job. There will be days where you will get your ass kicked out on the flight line and you will wonder why you do it. There will also be days where you have a great time and love your job. Be prepared for the weather. Depending where you live you will experience all types of weather. Be prepared to smell like sweat and Jet A, also prepare for a wicked farmers tan. You will have a fun time learning the job. Learning to pushback is going to be the best time. Remember, if you want the tail of the plane to turn to the right, then you need to turn left. To turn the tail left you will turn to the right. Enjoy it.
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 11):
Be prepared to smell like sweat and Jet A, also prepare for a wicked farmers tan.

You know it's bad when the one from the previous year never went away. I look like I'm wearing socks even when I'm not  Smile
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:37 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 11):
Be prepared to smell like sweat and Jet A

Don't forget glycol!!!

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RE: Ground Ops Question

Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:51 pm

Dont be surprised if people start avoiding you for the Aroma,until you've had a Bath  Smile
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:14 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 11):
Remember, if you want the tail of the plane to turn to the right, then you need to turn left. To turn the tail left you will turn to the right. Enjoy it.

From what perspective? I learned, turn the wheel in the direction you want the tail to turn...from your perspective in the seat of the pushback meaning if you are sitting on the pushback staring at the nose of the plane and you want the tail to go left, you would turn left on the wheel.

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RE: Ground Ops Question

Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:52 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 11):
Remember, if you want the tail of the plane to turn to the right, then you need to turn left. To turn the tail left you will turn to the right. Enjoy it.

What kind of Tug are you driving? In our world of two-pivot towbars, you turn the same direction you want the tail to go, then follow the nose through the turn.

Quoting Crogalski (Thread starter):
I was just hired for a ground ops position,

By the way, who are you going to work for?
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RE: Ground Ops Question

Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:44 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 15):
Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 11):
Remember, if you want the tail of the plane to turn to the right, then you need to turn left. To turn the tail left you will turn to the right. Enjoy it.

From what perspective? I learned, turn the wheel in the direction you want the tail to turn...from your perspective in the seat of the pushback meaning if you are sitting on the pushback staring at the nose of the plane and you want the tail to go left, you would turn left on the wheel.



Quoting UAcsOKC (Reply 16):
What kind of Tug are you driving? In our world of two-pivot towbars, you turn the same direction you want the tail to go, then follow the nose through the turn.

I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't want to get into it. I hear so many people say that when trying to train new guys on the pushback and its very misleading. There is nothing worse than starting to turn a plane and realizing you've gone the wrong way...expecially in a tight space.

I always tell guys if you want the tail to go to your left, for example, you need to get the pushback on "your left" (the planes' right) side of the fuselage which requires an initial turn to the left.
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