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Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:04 am

Hey folks:

I am looking to purchase ear protection. I do not work in this industry (am an aviation enthusiast!!). I do use a lot of power tools and have very sensitive hearing. I've tried the soft foam ear plugs and the head sets from Sears, but still am not satisfied. I thought maybe the ear protection you guys on the ground use must be better. You know, industrial strength. Am I wrong? If your headsets are better, who makes them? Where can I buy them?

If this isn't the right forum, apologies. I'm just trying to find any info on REALLY TOP NOTCH ear protection.

Thank you!!
 
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:15 am

I prefer some good quality foam/rubber-ish earplugs, while using my Blisten (sp?) 717 earmuffs...comfortable yet durable, I can drop them all the time and nothing happens. Get around those 737-200's, they get loud, but it helps block out alot of it. Now to find something to block out the jetblast  Wink

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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:26 am

When I was working on the ramp I just used the cheapy foam disposable earplugs that were given free to us...the ramp noise never really bothered me. However, at home I also use a lot of power tools and occasionally go target shooting. For those purposes I use a set of Remington headphones that I got at Gander Mountain. You can pick them or something similar to them up at any gun store or outdoor store probably.
If you really want to see some good ear protection I would suggest stopping by an indoor pistol range. Yes, a bit weird  Wink...but the noise inside them is incredible that good ear protection is a must
 
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:39 am

I usually have a pack of these disposable yellow ear plugs in my pocket, just in case, but normally on the ramp I´m using my David Clark headset, with the wire unplugged.

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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:41 am

Look for the NRR, noise reduction rating, on the sets you are looking at. the higher the number, the better sound protection they afford. Earplugs are usually better than muffs, with a high of 33,34, while muffs usually have a high of around 29,30. by the way, doubling up doesn't do much good, because sound comes in through your skull too. Hope this helps, Chris  Smile
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:20 am

Quoting UAcsOKC (Reply 4):
Earplugs are usually better than muffs

That's not what they told us in training....they told us wearing both will reduce sound by up to 7dB, but using muffs alone gives alot more protection than plugs, if worn correctly. I can definately tell a difference with the muffs.

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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:57 pm

Southwest provides us with three types of hearing protection. There is the foam one wich have the highest dB rating, plugs on a plastic band that can go from resting on your neck to in your ears in a flash, and then ear muff-like protection which I think has the lowest protection.

I dont like the foam ones becuase they take too long to put in correctly and I like being able to take my plugs off and put them on at any instant depending on where I am. Plus I dont think my ears are shaped right inside. I can never get those foam earplugs to stay all the way in correctly. They only reduce noise to safe levels if inserted correctly. it bugs the hell out of me.

Also, protection can be a tough thing to deal with. Of course for ear protection, you want the highest dB reduction. But if you have too much protection, it becomes a safety issue as too much reduction keeps you from hearing things you need to be able to hear for situation awareness. And there are times when you need to be able to hear others speak to you out there. It's tough to hear someone when you have maximum protection.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:13 pm

Think electronic noise reduction.

The new earmuffs with electronic noise reduction are starting to be quite reasonably priced but the real benefit is being able to carry on a normal conversation with them on and still be protected.

Every time I go shooting more and more people have these things, I am going to get a pair myself pretty soon.

Currently I have a set of cost-effective ruger muffs with gel ear cups, they keep the noise out pretty well from shooting, they are just hot and uncomfortable. but it beats being deaf.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:17 pm

Ear Plugs are Easier to use,But Defenders are def more reliable in Cutting out certain frequencies.[Remember all sounds should not be Eliminated].
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:30 pm

Check sporting goods stores, gun stores, and hardware stores. Most of the hearing protection used on the ramps are nothing special, though some companies and departments do provide for headsets that plug into two-way radios which are somewhat pricey and the ones that plug into the aircraft which are somewhat specialized.
 
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:39 pm

I double up. Wearing my DC muffs and a pair of foam plugs under them.

If your eally want to dump the money, go to a hearing aid specialist or your ear, nose and throad doctor. They sell custom made plugs that have filters for different noise cancellation ratings. My friend is a tour manager for a promotions company and is at concerts a bunch. He paid for some of these becuase he was starting to get some hearing loss. You can have a conversation at an "inside" voice level while standing next to a speaker at a concert. In the four years since he purchased them he has had no more hearing loss at his annual test. They're well worth it if you have extra money laying around.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:10 pm

Thanks Pilotpip. Now you have me thinking. I did used to be a musician and was supposed to have been fitted for something like that while in the Marine Corps. Never did happen though. Maybe now would be a good time.
 
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:37 pm

Working as an Engineer round large helicopters and having to do ground runs etc I find the Peltor ear defenders very good, they are made by the same people who make the crew headsets.

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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:07 pm

Quoting NORTHSEATIGER (Reply 12):
Working as an Engineer round large helicopters and having to do ground runs etc

Do you perform Grd runs on Rotorcrafts.Do you need a Pilots rating for doing a Ground run on a Rotorcraft even as an AME or is the Main rotor disconnect Available.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:45 pm

I personnally do not start the aircraft and run it, I will be performing engineering tasks i.e using vibration analasys test equipment whilst a pilot is at the controls, but having said that at some of my companies European bases licencsed engineers do start and run the aircraft with rotors engaged, they are trained by flight crew and have to visit the simulator annually to keep their ground running rating current. There is talk of engineers at my base being trained so I will be there at the front of que.

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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:43 am

Quoting NORTHSEATIGER (Reply 14):
they are trained by flight crew and have to visit the simulator annually to keep their ground running rating current.

Out here its very Different  Smile
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:54 am

Peltor muffs, usually in combination with plugs. The muffs were okay, but it's easy to tear them off while crawling around beneath a/c so plugs were more of a back-up just in case..

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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:28 am

I have custom made ear plugs that I wear all the time, I got them made at Costco for $50. They have two different styles that you can get, ones that are solid and block out more noise or ones with a small hole in them designed so that you can hear voices. They are 10x easier to put in than foam ear plugs. In the winter I wear Peltor Ear Muffs over top of the plugs to help keep my ears warm when its really cold out.
 
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:00 pm

This is what I use, but I am around only RJs:
http://store.pksafety.net/holeqbcacap.html

Muffs in the winter however for the warmth.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:03 pm

Quoting CO2BGR (Reply 18):
This is what I use, but I am around only RJs:
http://store.pksafety.net/holeqbcaca....html

What about Disinfection of the Plugs.Any solution used.
That way Ear muffs are better.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:58 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19):
What about Disinfection of the Plugs.Any solution used

This is why I haven't purchased any custom plugs. I just use the foam cheapies under my muffs. On a busy day my hands end up nearly black with dirt and grime. Add a little jet fuel to this mix and I really don't think it's something I want to be cramming in my ear. On a busy day I'll go through two or three sets of plugs because they get dirty.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:42 pm

I use the "christmas tree" style plugs on a solid band. Wear them around my neck and they're ready all the time. When I worked in the engine test cell I used those same plugs and muffs. After almost 20 years the only frequency loss I've noticed and the hearing tests confirm, the frequency is exactly the same as my wife's voice. One of the only "Fringe Benefits" in aviation.
 
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:30 pm

definately plugs. i use the rubber disposables since that's what the company provides. i used to use a pair of DCs, but they became a hassle last summer. now that i've moved up into managment i don't need to wear them at all times as i don't spend my entire day outside. the rubber disposables cane be bought from most mail-order stores and catalogs. try http://www.galls.com
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:00 pm

Quoting TimT (Reply 21):
the frequency is exactly the same as my wife's voice. One of the only "Fringe Benefits" in aviation.

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Quoting Cancidas (Reply 22):
use the rubber disposables since that's what the company provides

You mean after every use its dumped.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:09 pm

no, after each day i toss them, unless i lose them during the shift.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:20 am

On the ramp I wear the David Clarke Model 10A headphones. I find them to be really good with noise reduction.
They were not company issued by AC, a friend gave them to me, and they really work well.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:47 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 5):

That's not what they told us in training....they told us wearing both will reduce sound by up to 7dB, but using muffs alone gives alot more protection than plugs, if worn correctly.

A properly fitting pair of earplugs will reduce the noise better than muffs, because they will fill all the space and are much denser than the deadening material in earmuffs.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:43 pm

What about High power runs.Which are preffered/more effective.Plugs or Muffs.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:06 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 27):
What about High power runs.Which are preffered/more effective.Plugs or Muffs.

Ear Muffs/Defender or a tug to sit in!
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:49 am

i went to the silverstone f1 grand prix and i tried one day with ear plugs and one day with decent muffs and i gotta tell you that the muffs are way better although sometimes you get a bit of an echo in them ( this was probebly just the grand prix that done it) but i honestly recommend ear muffs and they dont fall off as well which was annoying
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:03 pm

Any location to pick up Foldable Ear Defenders.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:53 am

I have custom earplugs. The guy came to the hangar and made molds of our ears. A couple weeks later the plugs came. I love them. I can wear them for hours, they are very effective, and if I'm somewhere real noisy (inside the hellhole with the APU running) I put my David Clark ear defenders over top. I also prefer them in the summer when it's hot . In the winter, the muffs serve 3 purposes- they protect my hearing, they keep my ears warm, and they keep my hat on! As for disinfection, don't worry about it. We always have those alcohol wipes around, and I sue those to keep 'em clean. I've also heard people say you can get ear infections from wearing earplugs too much. I don't agree. At one time, I wore the yellow foam jobs while I slept, for 4 years. Every night, earplugs in for 8 hours, no problems. Here's a tip- cut them so they're only half as long, then they fit nice and deep, and don't rub the pillow. (Tips from a night shift worker).
 
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting Avt007 (Reply 31):
The guy came to the hangar and made molds of our ears

What procedure did they use.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:02 am

At work we have what I think are "Elvex" ear protectors. They are the standard over ear muffs. I also learnt that at the outside/base of the ear are small bones that conduct high pitched sounds. A good pair will cover/muffle the whole ear including the high pitch conduction area (think behind/below the ear). We handle MU2s from one company that does medevac flights and those planes are LOUD. My boss calls them the "official converter of jet fuel into noise".

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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 32):
What procedure did they use.

The guy puts some kind of oil in your ear to stop the goop from sticking, then he fills your whole ear with a silicone type gel. You need to sit perfectly still without moving, talking, blinking, for about 10 minutes. Then he pulls the silicone out after it has hardened. They then have a perfect cast of your ear, and thy make a mold from it to make the plugs. The plugs have a valve of some sort to allow pressurization to equalize. They come with a cord linking the two sides and a clip to attach to your clothing. I'm very happy with them, and I've had them at least 15 years.
 
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:45 am

I just use the soft foam rubbery earplugs we have by the door on the way out to the ramp... and sometimes I forget entirely and spend 30 mins next to a screaming CRJ APU with nothing in my ears... I know, I know.. permenant hearing loss, I get it. Mine is not the example to follow.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:52 pm

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 22):
definately plugs. i use the rubber disposables since that's what the company provides. i

I use the soft plus as well. Keep in mind that they are not all alike. You need to read the db rating to be sure. If in a high noise area I will wear plugs and muffs.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:48 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
I usually have a pack of these disposable yellow ear plugs in my pocket, just in case, but normally on the ramp I´m using my David Clark headset, with the wire unplugged

I swear by my David Clarke hearing protectors, they are about 30 bucks for a set and will take normal David Clarke headset accessories like the gel earseals (Their rep gave me a pair at the aviation trade show last year) In fact I have 2 pair, one I kept at work and one that I wore when running the snowblower or chainsaw at home.

I also wear them when shooting and just gave my sister another pair for x-mas for that purpose.

Quoting Staffan (Reply 16):
The muffs were okay, but it's easy to tear them off while crawling around beneath a/c so plugs were more of a back-up just in case..

That's what I like about the DC, the Peltors have those two thin wires holding the headstrap together connected through a couple of plastic connectors, they always broke there when I had them on the ramp. The DC's are a solid metal strap, a much better setup IMHO.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting Avt007 (Reply 34):
They come with a cord linking the two sides and a clip to attach to your clothing. I'm very happy with them, and I've had them at least 15 years.

Interesting.If possible Pls upload a Pic.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:21 pm

http://www.protectear.com/

I have red ones, you can pick the colour. Also, my employer paid half the cost.
 
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:39 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 37):
Peltors have those two thin wires holding the headstrap together connected through a couple of plastic connectors, they always broke there when I had them on the ramp.

I have never had a problem with my Peltor hearing protection... They are very comfortable, and ave lasted me quite a while (three years). While I love David Clark products, I only use them when I fly... I am proud to say that I fly with an H20-10 headset...

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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:02 pm

We have Peltor muffs at work wich do an excellent job - and keep my ears warm too. Sometimes I'll wear my pilot headset plugged to the radio .. especially when doing push-backs.

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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:23 pm

Any link to the Peltor type.
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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:35 pm

Our company supplies both the disposable foam-plugs-on-a-string type and the more effective foam plugs that are mounted on a plastic band.

I use the plastic band style since they're so easy to wear and quick to don. They're made by Howard Leight and have a NRR of 25dB (model QB2HYG). The plugs are easily cleanable and replaceable.

When I flew the Twin Otter, I wore foam plugs under my David Clark headset. Loved flying the 'Otter but it definitely wasn't a quiet office to work in.
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Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:44 pm

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RE: Ramp Worker Ear Protection Question

Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:22 pm


Is it worth ordering thru the net or preferable to get someone to pick it up.How reliable is their service.
Are there any Foldable options.

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