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Landing On Very Short Runway: Limit For 737?

Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:37 pm

Hello all,

in a couple of weeks I'll be flying to what must be one of the shortest runways in Europe suitable for a 737-700: Kythira airport in Greece. (LGKC)

Runway length is 1480 meters (4855 ft), available landing distance 4793 feet.

airport altitude is just over 1000 ft ASL... and flight is during daytime, temps can easily reach 35 C or close to 100 F

Actually I'm going to Kalamata, but a/c makes intermediate landing at LGKC, so I'll be taking off from there just after I arrived.

The airline (Transavia) is the only foreign carrier flying to that aiport, apart from Olympic that flies props there.

So, this must be prety close to the limit...

What would be the limit, provided a/c is fully loaded with pax and luggage???

thanks for your replies!

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RE: Landing On Very Short Runway: Limit For 737?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:08 am

I think Monarch goes to LGKC also.
Except for the weather, runway conditions are pretty similar to Antwerp where we used to t/o charter 737-200 flights, though IIRC at somewhere around max load - 20%.
After the 3 hour flight the a/c should be light enough anyway.
 
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RE: Landing On Very Short Runway: Limit For 737?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:53 am

The 737 has a pretty good take off / landing performance! I took off once of Mykonos, a greek island and the runway is short, too and at the end of the runway there are mountains! but we has a HLF 738 with 27K reated engines and we used APU bleed take off and had a take off weight of about 72 tons... so close to Max...

The demonstrated landing distance of the 737 with max landing weight is 950m.... but only the good Boeing testpilots can do that! We normal pilots need 1000m at least  Wink

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RE: Landing On Very Short Runway: Limit For 737?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:41 pm

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2):
The 737 has a pretty good take off / landing performance! I took off once of Mykonos, a greek island and the runway is short, too and at the end of the runway there are mountains! but we has a HLF 738 with 27K reated engines and we used APU bleed take off and had a take off weight of about 72 tons... so close to Max...

Did the HLF 738 have winglets installed at the time? If so it is likely it only had 26K rated engines as we derated them from 27K very shortly after they all had the APB winglets installed. Just for info, not to nitpick.
 
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RE: Landing On Very Short Runway: Limit For 737?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:42 pm

AvionicMech. When Wilco says he took off from Mykonos he literally means HE took off from Mykonos. I'd say he got the info correct. Now when I say I took off from Mykonos, well I mean I sat in seat 9A and filmed it.

KLM-MD11, I've just recently come back from Skiathos too which has a runway length of just 5100 ft, not much bigger than Kythira. It's certainly interesting to experience a landing on such a short runway! Saying that I was also in a B752 which made it more fun. The pilots certainly love to hit it hard, no messing about I guess. The landing video is here if you're interested.
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RE: Landing On Very Short Runway: Limit For 737?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:11 am

Myt332: I didn't realise that Wilco737 was an F/O for HLF. But now that I re-read his post I guess there is a bit more info than a normal pax would know.

Wilco737: How long have you been flying as part of the magical world of tui? Did you ever get to fly any of the 738's to us here at LTN for their 'C' Checks? If so I may well have met you.
 
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RE: Landing On Very Short Runway: Limit For 737?

Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:48 am

Klm-md11
I have noticed that you mentioned that the 737 is a -700, but this may bring you a bit closer. On the Pilot Notes page on www.b737.org.uk you can download a spreadsheet named NORMAL CONFIGURATION LANDING DISTANCE (B737- 400/500).

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RE: Landing On Very Short Runway: Limit For 737?

Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:40 am

I think you'll find some answers in this amazing thread: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/109677/
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RE: Landing On Very Short Runway: Limit For 737?

Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:10 pm

In New Zealand, WLG runway I think is just under 1900 metres long and B732, B733, B737-700s and B738, and shortly B734s could be landing at WLG. Sometimes B737s finally come to a holt at the very end of the runway, thou thanks to very late touch downs

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RE: Landing On Very Short Runway: Limit For 737?

Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:50 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
In New Zealand, WLG runway I think is just under 1900 metres long and B732, B733, B737-700s and B738, and shortly B734s could be landing at WLG. Sometimes B737s finally come to a holt at the very end of the runway, thou thanks to very late touch downs

WLG also used to handle 767's and the odd 747SP. What a sight.

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RE: Landing On Very Short Runway: Limit For 737?

Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:58 pm

Hello,

during my time at HLF all 738s were WITH winglets! So as well the 738 departing from Mykonos!
But I was just PNF (pilot non flying) during this take off, because Mykonos is a Captain only airport! So, I was watching the captain to set 102.1% take off N1 and then releasing the brakes! ROCKET take off  Big grin  Big grin

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RE: Landing On Very Short Runway: Limit For 737?

Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:08 am

Wellington's (WLG) runway is 1935 metres long with no runway safety ends, the proverbial "aircraft carrier".
Qantas used to operate 747SP's there all the time, in fact access to WLG was one of the considerations when they were bought.
The odd 747-200 has popped in as well and 757's (RNZAF) pass through on a regular basis. Runway length is only one factor here. Winds are a major problem particularly northerlies.
Watch the video of WLG landings on Airsidetv.com and you'll see what I mean. Smile

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