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Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:41 am

On every Ryanair 737-800 flight I've been on the first three rows have been blocked off to passengers. I've been told this is because of trim, which sounds logical enough when you consider that Ryanair doesn't carry cargo (I assume that's the reason, seeing I haven't come across it anywhere else). If that's the case, then these seats are never going to be used. Why do they install them, or why don't they use ballast? It seems a waste of 18 seats.
 
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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:11 am

Hmmm, a common topic. And you've asked this before.....

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1709311
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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:51 am

I know, and I got the answer I was looking for, as I explained in my post. I just wanted to know why they don't remove these seats or use ballast. Anyone know?
 
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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:17 am

If the plane is full the seats can be filled. But not until refueling is done.
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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:35 am

So they sell the flight with three emtpy rows? Seems an awful waste, particularly for an airline like Ryanair, who would sell-off the unused sandwiches if they could. Strange, and I'm surprised they haven't found a way around it.
 
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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:51 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 2):
I know, and I got the answer I was looking for, as I explained in my post. I just wanted to know why they don't remove these seats or use ballast. Anyone know?

Never having flown Ryanair, but having loaded pax on countless aircraft I'll stick with the opinion I gave on another thread re: this topic: The boarding goes faster if you can keep people from grabbing the first seat they see.....
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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:49 pm

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 5):
The boarding goes faster if you can keep people from grabbing the first seat they see.....

The attendants stand at the door telling everybody who try to sit in the seats that they are blocked off. Last week they had, I think, orange demo safety belts positioned over the tops of the seats and kept telling the passengers not to sit in the seats with the orange belts. The seats remained empty for the flight, and on other Ryanair flights I've been on. It just seems strange that they haven't got a more permanent solution if they are not going to fill these seats.
Ryanair don't use air stairs to board their aircraft, so half the passengers are directed to the rear stairs and half to the front. I don't think boarding has anything to do with it.



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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:36 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 6):
Ryanair don't use air stairs to board their aircraft, so half the passengers are directed to the rear stairs and half to the front. I don't think boarding has anything to do with it.

They do use built in air-stairs, I think you mean a Airbridge/Docking gate?
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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:03 am

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 7):
They do use built in air-stairs, I think you mean a Airbridge/Docking gate?

Sorry, that is what I meant. Brain went AWOL
 
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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:55 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 6):
Ryanair don't use air stairs to board their aircraft, so half the passengers are directed to the rear stairs and half to the front. I don't think boarding has anything to do with it.

Didn't it come out on one of your other threads on this topic that the last few rows are blocked when loading from the rear? If so that supports speed of loading scenario.

How about when flights are fully booked, do they still have blocked seats?
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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:10 am

No, I've never seen the last rows blocked off so I couldn't have mentioned this. I'm pretty certain that they are not.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 9):
How about when flights are fully booked, do they still have blocked seats?

I have never seen the front three rows occupied on the -800s, so it's impossible to tell if they are just empty or they haven't been sold.
 
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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:52 pm

I don't know how it works in Europe but here in NZ when seating pax on the 737 we try and get the same number of people seated in Zone 1 (rows 1-8) and Zone 3 (rows 18-24). Inside those zones it doesn't matter wheather all pax are at the rear half of the zone of scattered evenly throughout.
 
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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sat Jul 09, 2005 7:40 am

Here in Oz, JQ do the same thing for the same reasons (so I'm told..). I'm not sure if DJ do the same thing, have only flown with them once or twice. However, what I would like to know is on most other airlines where passengers have specifically allocated seats, does the airline fill the seats in such a way that they fill these "trim & balance seats" last??

I can't say I've ever been on a JQ flight that has been fully booked, so I don't know if they do use the blocked seats when full...  Wink

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RE: Blocking Off Seats On Ryanair

Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:07 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Why do they install them

If they were not installed the remaining seat rows would probably need to be redistributed to increase pitch and de-concentrate the floor load. If it is for longitudinal trim reasons, that would defeat the purpose. It is hard to imagine them removing three rows and not spreading the rest out.

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
or why don't they use ballast?

Costs money to carry ballast. For ballast to be cost effective you must have filled those three rows and be able, from a performance standpoint, to carry the full airplane, required fuel and the ballast.

One consideration in seating capacity is number of flight attendants required. For example (FAR 121.391) if you seat 150 you need three flight attendants. If you seat 151 you need four. That one hundred and fifty first seat has to pay for the cost of an entire f/a by itself. But I don't believe the FAA will buy seat-blocking, I think they require that the seats be removed before you could reduce the number of required flight attendants.
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