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737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:52 am

Any idea if Boeing built any model of 737's with a F/O nose wheel steering tiller.
 
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Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:03 am

Not that I know of. AFAIK, there is no option for it and a modification would not be easy. The standard version doesn't have any points where you can attach an additional steering mechanism.

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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:20 pm

Hi guys,

I agree with MD11Engineer, never heard of a 737 with a steering wheel on my FO side... Sometimes it would helpful though... But I cannot taxi from my side...

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Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:37 pm


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Jan is correct.I've never heard of a B737 with the F/O tiller,considering the cable Routing it would take some work & added components.
Unless a indirect drive between the Two tillers was present.
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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:38 am

Hawk21M, if you look at the Southwest Pic you posted, on the F/O's side, it looks like there is a blanking plate for the optional F/O's tiller. Also, I have seen a few Boeing schematics with a listed "Optional" tiller.
 
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:27 am

I remember Rick767 saying one time that his airline does have them on their 737's? Was a long time ago, but I remember him saying they had that option, IIRC. Wait for him to show up I suppose!

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Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:08 pm

I wonder if they ever built a 737 with a captains gear handle ???
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:09 pm

So that the FO can reach that one as well as his too?  conehead 

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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:52 pm

Quoting Xms3200 (Reply 4):
Hawk21M, if you look at the Southwest Pic you posted, on the F/O's side, it looks like there is a blanking plate for the optional F/O's tiller. Also, I have seen a few Boeing schematics with a listed "Optional" tiller.

Are you referring to B737s.If so How is the Mechanism to the 2nd tiller like.
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:57 am

Hi Xms3200,

No, the 737 was never built with an F/O NWS tiller. The B707 was the only Boeing commercial jet built with a F/O NWS tiller in any significant numbers. The 727 was also never built with an F/O NWS tiller.
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:12 am

BoeingFixer,

Thanks a lot for the reply, that answered my question. By the way, I remember in the mid '80's, seeing a Southern Air 707 with a F/O's NWS tiller. Turns out it was an ex Kuwait Airways bird, 707-369B
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting BoeingFixer (Reply 9):
The B707 was the only Boeing commercial jet built with a F/O NWS tiller in any significant numbers.

They built quite a few 747s didn't they. All with F/O tillers AFAIK.

The 757, 767 and 777 also have an F/O tiller although I some airlines might specify it is not installed for operational reasons.
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:05 pm

Why was the F/O Tiller not considered on the B737 ever.Was the probability of a snag on the Only tiller Available very low to overlook this.
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:17 pm

Every 747 I have ever seen (thats quite a few) has had a f/o tiller.
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:51 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):
Why was the F/O Tiller not considered on the B737 ever.Was the probability of a snag on the Only tiller Available very low to overlook this.

737 F/Os are considered by many airlines to be too inexperienced to be trusted with tight turns on the ground, requiring the use of a tiller. (The judgement required to avoid collisions and keep off the grass being what it is.) Consequently F/O tillers weren't normally fitted. Conversely, all A320s (equally junior F/Os) have two tillers.

The chances of a tiller system failure must be remote. There's still the pedal steering and differential power/braking as a back up. You can always stop and wait for a tug  Smile
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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:07 am

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 6):
I wonder if they ever built a 737 with a captains gear handle ???



Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 7):
So that the FO can reach that one as well as his too?

The first officer IS the captain's gear handle.
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:05 pm

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 14):
737 F/Os are considered by many airlines to be too inexperienced to be trusted with tight turns on the ground, requiring the use of a tiller.

The F/O tiller need not be used unless authorised by P1.
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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:28 am

But if it's not perceived as a requirement when the aircraft is designed, then the mechanism will not be installed, saving weight.
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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:53 pm

Any Examples of it being Installed at a later date on the B737.
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:23 am

B737 classic with f/o tiller:


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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:44 am

Great pics.Thanks Vain~
Any Idea on the Connectivity of the F/O Tiller.
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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:42 am

Vain,

You are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely awesome!!!!!!!!!!!! Here I was, listening to every professional contributing to this highly esteemed forum, and.............believing that no 737 ever exists with a .............F/O nose wheel tiller.....and then.......boom..............you appear with pics showing two models of the 737 with the NWS. From what I have seen in my lifetime, the KSSU cockpits from the '80's were always very well equipped, and the pics just posted from Vain, respects the former KSSU group even more.

Thank you very much for your pics Vain, and long live this forum & Airlines.net
 
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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:18 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 15):
The first officer IS the captain's gear handle.

Slam, that just made my day. I can't stop laughing!  Smile
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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:31 pm

Quoting Xms3200 (Reply 21):
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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:25 pm

Quoting BoeingFixer (Reply 9):
The 727 was also never built with an F/O NWS tiller.

That's incorrect. I flew one, as an FO, with a right side tiller. I don't have any photos, but (IIRC) the registration was N86430 (could be wrong on which bird it was - we had another with equipment installed, but the actual tiller wheel was removed).
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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:28 pm

How was the Cabling routed on the Aircraft with F/O tiller.
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RE: 737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller

Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:50 am

Adding to HAWK´s question: Is NWS still done via cable even on the new(er) designs by Boeing and Airbus or are there models with electronic steering (digital signalling)?

I remember having had that question before, but unfortunately I can´t remember the answer back then well enough...

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