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Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?

Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:14 am

The topic says it all...
Why aren´t LD2 containers used on other aircraft than B767? I mean the 67 can take LD3s, but just not side-by-side. The LD3 is just a bit narrower and should fit in other aircraft as the contours are the same and I guess also the attachment to the floor. Especially for airlines with mixed fleets of 767 and other widebodies this should ease cargo transfer a lot as there is no more need for the cargo to be repacked (very few airlines actually use the LD3s on the 767). Any thoughts?
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RE: Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?

Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:54 am

ld2 can be loaded on other a/c, but a few rules apply.
They must be loaded with the "nose" facing the centerline and they need to be loaded in conjunction with other containers. 2 ld2 will be loaded "nose" to "nose" and 1 ld2 with 1 ld3 will be loaded "nose" against flat side. Additional loading requirements/restrictions might apply, depending on a/c and/or operator.
 
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RE: Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?

Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:20 am

I've loaded LD2's onto a 777 before...DL does it domestically alot.

I've also had loads on a 767 where I've had to put all 3...LD2's, with an LD3 mixed in (takes up two whole frames), and then an LD-3 (also takes up two frames)...this was when we were seriously out of cans and had to use whatever was handy.

Those LD8's sure are fun to try to spin on a K-loader!

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RE: Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?

Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:41 pm


LD2

LD3
Just so People can see the Comparative difference between the Two Containers visually.
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RE: Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:14 am

Quoting 744rules (Reply 1):
They must be loaded with the "nose" facing the centerline and they need to be loaded in conjunction with other containers. 2 ld2 will be loaded "nose" to "nose" and 1 ld2 with 1 ld3 will be loaded "nose" against flat side.

I assume that this is to prevent loading the two containers nose-out against the hold contours, and thus leaving a gap in the middle - would this be a Bad Thing? Are the containers just packed in tight together, rather than being individually secured?

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RE: Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:42 pm

The ld2 containers must be loaded nose to nose for some reasons : the ground surface of an ld2 is smaller, and by loading them nose to nose, they will fit just between the outer rails (same as to accomodate two ld3 - flat side to flat side). This way there still is some upward restraint. Also note that a fully loaded ld2 has the tendence to fall over, due to the reduced groundsurface.

Hope this explanation can shed some light. A few drawings/pictures would show it much better, but as security is getting paranoia, walking around with a camera on the ramp is not good idea.
 
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RE: Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:17 am

Quoting 744rules (Reply 5):
but as security is getting paranoia, walking around with a camera on the ramp is not good idea.

Psssh...I do it all the time, and noone questions me about it. All you need is a Sida badge and a smile. I'll see what I can dig up.

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RE: Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?

Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:41 pm

Slightly off topic here, but how many LD-2s can a 762 and a 763 carry in their bellies? Also, if I understand this right, 2 LD-2s can be loaded side by side on the 767, but not an LD-2 and a LD-3?...with the fact the 767 is the narrowest of the widebodies. Regards.
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RE: Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?

Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:25 pm

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 6):
a Sida badge

Whats a Sida Badge.

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 7):

B763
B762
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RE: Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:08 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Whats a Sida Badge.

SIDA=Secured Identification Display Area. It's your ID issued by the airport authority that allows you to go into the areas past security. You also have the AOA (Airport Operation Area), which usually refers to the areas outside of the terminal. The terms SIDA and AOA can be interchangeable. We at HNL refer to the SIDA as the AOA and our badges as AOA badges.
 
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RE: Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:43 am

Reddragon:
I can't say for sure about airlines, but for FedEx all containers are secured individually.


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In this picture you can see the "load locks" on the floor. There are several different types of locks, but they generally are lifted up and over ULD base rails, with an extending flap that the next ULD can slide under and be secured. The locks on the side rails of the aircraft are usually spring loaded "flippers", or hard mounted flaps that also have to be positioned on top of the ULD base plate.

Hope this helps, mike
 
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RE: Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:48 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 9):
The terms SIDA and AOA can be interchangeable

Out here we call them Airport PIC [Photo Identity Card].Various colours at Border.
White = Temporary
Green = Terminal Building Access only.
Blue = Terminal Building + Operational Area.
Orange = Terminal Building,Operational Area,Security zone.
Also on PIC indicates Airport of Validity or All Airports validity depending on Job profile.

Quoting Mikeclod (Reply 10):
load locks

Reffered to as Pallet Locks.

Quoting Mikeclod (Reply 10):
The locks on the side rails

Present near the Main Deck Door Opening area.

If one notices the Pic above,The Flooring near the Main deck dor area has Ball Transfer units instead of rollers,as it a manuvering area,to enable straightening of Pallets if needed.

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