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Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:04 am

Good day,

I’m currently working toward my CPL and as one would imagine, I’m starting to look for job opportunities, not only in Canada, but around the world. Through this site, business articles, etc. I realized that India has a booming aviation industry, so I browsed Kingfisher Airlines’ website.

http://www.flykingfisher.com/


Looking at their “Careers” page, I clicked to see the requirements for Co-pilot

http://www.flykingfisher.com/Careers.htm

http://www.flykingfisher.com/newco-pilots.htm

I was pretty surprised to see the requirements. I have the impression that they don’t require that many hours for an entry-level position, but I may be wrong.

“Careers
Co-Pilots:

Current medical, CPL, FRTO, COP/RTR, IR on multi-engine and minimum of 25 hrs on multi-engine aircraft (10 hrs could be completed on an approved multi-engine simulator).

Eligible candidates will be called for written test followed by an interview.”

There are some things I don’t understand:
1. Does FRTO stand for Flight Radio Telephone Operator Rating?
2. What does COP/RTR stand for?
3. 25 hours multi-engine? That doesn’t seem like a lot of time... What would be the "total hours/PIC total" minimums for this?
4. Can you hold a foreign citizenship and work in India as a pilot? (I have dual Canadian/Romanian)
5. Are Canadian CPL/Multi/IFR rating, etc recognized in India?

Can anyone clarify some of these things for me?

Much appreciated,

Vio
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:34 am

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
Can you hold a foreign citizenship and work in India as a pilot?

Shouldn't be a problem at all. There are plenty of them working already. Work permit isn't an issue.
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:40 am

You would get more informed answers on www.pprune.com
 
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:59 am

Quoting PIA747 (Reply 2):
You would get more informed answers on www.pprune.com

is that what you rely on?  Wink
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:23 am

Checked out with a F/O Friend that flies for Kingfisher.
1. Does FRTO stand for Flight Radio Telephone Operator Rating.
Yes

2. What does COP/RTR stand for.
ministry of communication issues a RT licence & dgca on that issues a Licence.

3. 25 hours multi-engine? That doesn’t seem like a lot of time... What would be the "total hours/PIC total" minimums for this.
Does not include PIC.
There are three categories of F/Os.
Depending on the Hrs of Flying & ALTP.Kingfisher HR dept will guide you on that.

4. Can you hold a foreign citizenship and work in India as a pilot? (I have dual Canadian/Romanian)
Sure.a lot of Expats around since there is a shortage of Pilots.

5. Are Canadian CPL/Multi/IFR rating, etc recognized in India.
Yes.

Check out DGCA Website for Rules. [licencing].

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[Edited 2005-09-10 17:27:29]
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:05 am

MEL,

Thank you so much. You've been so helpful. I really hope to work in India one day. Both my Finnish girlfriend and I have been dreaming of travelling and working there. (She's a teacher). I would love to work as a pilot there. Is there a big requirement for pilots in India? I don't mean just with Kingfisher, but also with Air India, Indian Airlines, Jet Airways, etc.

Regards,

Vio
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:20 am

It takes guts to be a pilot out in areas that have a big monsoon season
 
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:02 pm

Quoting Vio (Reply 5):
Is there a big requirement for pilots in India

Yes.Currently there is a Big demand.

Quoting B744F (Reply 6):
It takes guts to be a pilot out in areas that have a big monsoon season

Especially Night Flying  Smile
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:52 am

Quote:
It takes guts to be a pilot out in areas that have a big monsoon season

... Guts I have... it's experience and skill that I lack. I'm still a "low time" pilot. With time, lots of practice and hard work, I will get better.
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:11 pm

Quoting Vio (Reply 8):

If you need I can PM you the Email address of my friend whose is a F/O at Kingfisher.
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:07 am

Dear Vio,

Some answers to your questions.

1. Does FRTO stand for Flight Radio Telephone Operator Rating?
- There are 2 FRTO licence, the first one is FRTO(R) R - Restricted and FRTOL, the COPC RTR is a tough licence to clear and because of that the FRTO(R) was introduced, which limits the use of radio on board an Aircraft, after you clear the COPC RTR(Aero) you will have to submit the required documents and then get an FRTOL by DGCA

2. What does COP/RTR stand for?
- COP/RTR stands for Certifcate of proficiency in Radio telephony restricted, its a licence issued by Wireless Planning and Coordination wing (WPC) which is under Department of Telecommunication

3. 25 hours multi-engine? That doesn’t seem like a lot of time... What would be the "total hours/PIC total" minimums for this?
- As far as Multi is concerned I for sure know you need 25 hours as a P2 and this can be done on a simulator which means 15 hours of flying on an Aircraft recognised by DGCA and 10 hours on an approved simulator

4. Can you hold a foreign citizenship and work in India as a pilot? (I have dual Canadian/Romanian)
- Definitely you can!

5. Are Canadian CPL/Multi/IFR rating, etc recognized in India?
- They are regonised and i am not sure if you need to pass any conversion papers, what the indian students do is, they go to Canada or any other place get a foreign licence and when they are back they write the conversion papers ( 2 papers Composite and Air regulations, the composite includes ( Air NAV, MET and Flight planning) and then they convert the licence to an Indian CPL.

Hope this helps, I would suggest you get in touch with few foreign pilots who are in great demand in India. I don't know any though! See if your Canadian R/T licence and CPL licence needs a conversion here.

Regards,
Sushant Laxman
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:11 am

Quote:
If you need I can PM you the Email address of my friend whose is a F/O at Kingfisher.
regds
MEL

Well i wouldnt mind getting his email id, i had a few questions to ask, maybe he could help.

Thanks MEL,

Regards,
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:59 am

Foreign nationals cannot work as F/Os. They can only fly as captains. Only Indian nationals can fly as F/Os. I am sorry, but you won't be able to work in India as a new/fresh pilot. The pilot should have had atleast 500hrs as Pilot-in-Command to be able to work as captain on the flights.

[Edited 2006-03-11 19:08:53]
 
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:41 am

As far as I know as a contract captain in India, Birsea is correct. If one wants to be a first officer for an Indian operator, one must first emigrate to India and then pass the DGCA hurdles.

And hurdles they are.

No commercial flight can be operated with a VT- registered aircraft without at least one Indian national onboard as an operating flight crew member. As an experienced captain, one must obtain an E-Visa with an Indian airline/operator sponsoring the application. Once that happens, the other fun and games begin...

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 12):


[Edited 2006-03-11 20:45:23]
 
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:02 pm

What about a PIO, person of Indian origin who is a citizen of another country?

Is that enough to satisfy the requirement for an F/O ride?
 
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:08 pm

Good question. I'm afraid I don't know. How about trying the Contact Us link at the Directorate General Civil Aviation in New Delhi:

http://dgca.nic.in/
 
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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:51 pm

Just a quick add , glad to be back after a looong time, it might actually help if you have a type rating on a 320 or a 737 NG. Like Arctic tern suggested , as an entry level pilot you will have to pass conversion examinations , however new guidelines for pilots holding type ratings on specific aircraft types are different. As long as the CPL was issued by a ICAO member state for pilots holding type ratings , the conversion exams have been waived for the time being to fill up the shortfall.

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RE: Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements

Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:50 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 1):
Shouldn't be a problem at all. There are plenty of them working already. Work permit isn't an issue.



Quoting Blrsea (Reply 12):
Foreign nationals cannot work as F/Os. They can only fly as captains. Only Indian nationals can fly as F/Os. I am sorry, but you won't be able to work in India as a new/fresh pilot. The pilot should have had atleast 500hrs as Pilot-in-Command to be able to work as captain on the flights.

A320s & B737NGs are currently flooding the Indian skies.The Emb170 & 145s are making an appearence too.

Even for the Expats Commanders [P1].Within 3 months they have to satisfy DGCA officials on Indian regulatory requirements if they want to contnue working.Currently Pilots are joining from Brazil & Phillipines.

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