alfa75
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Are Bankrupt Airlines Safer?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:49 am

I was talking to a friend this weekend and was telling him of my upcoming trip on NW. My friend, being an aficionado of statistics, said that airlines going through bankruptcy proceedings are safer to fly because there are more stringent controls on maintenance and such.

Is this true? I find it hard to believe that the are two different standards of safety. Is there more technical oversight? What gives, or was my friend merely coming to a conclusion without merit?

I honestly don't feel any less safe whether they are going bankrupt or not.  crossfingers 
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aogdesk
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RE: Are Bankrupt Airlines Safer?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:05 am

My opinion:

You're right and wrong. There aren't two different standards of safety, theres quite a few actually. The "same" airworthiness standards that are to govern say AA's operations will in reality be much higher than those that govern Kalitta. You may assume that such carriers as Kalitta (freight) have lower standards due to the fact that they're not carrying pax, but its not supposed to be that way.

As far as NW and their increased oversight in bankruptcy (and in times of labor disputes), yes, the FAA is supposed to ramp up survelliance. But it remains to be seen as to whether the effect is bark or bite. The FAA just reassigned an FAA inspector that wrote alot of negative reports on NW's maintenance performance during the strike.

Again, in my opinion, any perceived increase in safety is quickly going to be negated by the fact that NW has a poorly trained, band-aid type mx workforce.

Listen carefully to this: http://www.the-mechanic.com/audio/DTW-09-15-2005.mp3

Not the most inspiring recording you want to hear from your maintenance team.
 
alfa75
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RE: Are Bankrupt Airlines Safer?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:13 am

Interesting, thanks for the reply.

I will admit that any fears that I have flying have to do with the mechanic using the in/lb torque wrench instead if the ft/lb one. (I actually know of a car mechanic assembling an engine with one!)

Any other thoughts out there?
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A330
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RE: Are Bankrupt Airlines Safer?

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:47 am

Aogdesk,

Sorry, but you are wrong. Standards are exactly the same for cargo as for pax. aircraft. I know, I fly both, also in the US.
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amtrosie
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RE: Are Bankrupt Airlines Safer?

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:32 am

I have been through 3 chapter 11's (and 1 chap. 7). There is no difference what so ever! What may be different now is the fact that the FAA is stretched way too thin, but bankruptcy has nothing to do with that.
 
PlainSmart
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RE: Are Bankrupt Airlines Safer?

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:33 pm

NO WAY. As airlines are pushed with cash issues there is less and less money and motivation for up dating and spending research money. Basically if the airlines are dirt poor the technology slows and progression slows. An example is getting Data Link into the airplanes today to get graphical weather. That would be nice but it costs money. So the airlines are stuck with older technology of relaying information to the flight crews. (Textual and Verbal)
 
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HAWK21M
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RE: Are Bankrupt Airlines Safer?

Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:40 pm

It depends on the Type of Airline & their QC Dept.I dont think the Statement above would hold true.
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PlainSmart
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RE: Are Bankrupt Airlines Safer?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:01 pm

Wow Insightful response. It would not hold true for an Airline like Southwest that does no spending on development, but I do not understand your statement.
 
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RE: Are Bankrupt Airlines Safer?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:09 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):

Refering to Post 1.
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Depends on the Quality of their Mx setup,Work ethics,Knowledge of Personnell. etc.
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