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How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:26 am

Alright, I officially earned my third ticket today (all within 1 year, no less). Speeding, 74 in a 65. Last two were careless driving and speeding as well.

So I've heard that one can only have 3 tickets in his/her lifetime in order to not be disquallified for airline service. What's the gouge on this?

Not too too worried for now, going to go to court and see if I can argue it out, or pray that the trooper simply doesn't show up. If it does stay on my record, then I'll have to really behave myself.

Thanks  Smile
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:52 am

Depends on the airline, but I would be surprised if someone like Atlas or Arrow would Not hire you for 3 tix. Just have a good answer ready for your interview. And go to traffic school and keep it off your record, if that's an option.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:16 am

You'd think cargo companies would want to hire speeders!
 
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:33 am

I think they're looking for trends, so the 3 within one year may be disturbing... just stay clean from now on... I got hired with 4 tickets, (but it was 8 years since my last ticket when I got hired.) I have a total of 5 now.

2 - both for speeding in 1992
1 - for running a red light riding my mountain bike in 1996
1 - for speeding in Japan in 1997
1 - for rear ending someone while I was in ground school in 2005.

Even if you have a ticket dropped, they want you to disclose every ticket you received regardless of the outcome. If something shows on a background check and you didn't self-disclose in advance, they may not hire you.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:44 am

I do not know where you got your ticket but in Oklahoma tickets for less than 10mph over the speed limit do not show on your driving record. Might be worth a look see if that is true of the state in which you received your ticket.
Other alternatives here include driver safety course, at your expense of course, to expunge your ticket. With your career at hand it might be worth investing in the use of a lawyer.

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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:20 am

When I saw the topic header I thought you meant exceeding any speed limits set by ATC.... Smile

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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:25 am

I suppose I can chalk it up to being a college kid with a sportscar. Here in FL, all tickets will show unless you attend traffic school, or win the hearing in court. You can only attend traffic school once a callendar year, and I already did my one for this 365  Sad.

Talked to my roomie (OttoPylot here on a.net), he told me I can go to court and plead "no contest", have the points and the ticket removed from my license, and just pay court costs (usually about the price of the ticket...all they want is the money really). So I may be off the hook, but may still have to report these.

woodreau, you bring up a good point- I guess that means every ticket. The list will be long, but distinguished  Wink

My dad had 4 I think when he wen to DL, had to list every single one of them on his paperwork. I suppose my lead foot will have to be lightened a bit  hissyfit 

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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:37 am

You're a habitual speeder....soon enough you'll get caught doing .83 mach in a .80 zone.
 
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:20 am

Simple solution to this one DeltaGuy. SLOW DOWN!!!

This is one of the reason I bought my jeep, it can't go fast  Smile
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:20 pm

74 in a 65! That is rubish. I hate that. only 9mph over the speed limit on the highway. Was traffic going that fast also. I hate some cops. Like on the Florida Turnpike while goin 90mph in a 70mph but it is 1am why should I have to go 70mph when there is not even anyone else on the road.
Anyway yea if you already have 3 tickets just slow down and get your self a good radar detector.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:06 pm

Quoting Woodreau (Reply 3):
1 - for running a red light riding my mountain bike in 1996

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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:32 am

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 5):
When I saw the topic header I thought you meant exceeding any speed limits set by ATC....

Me too...but seriously what does happen? Do you get a speeding "ticket" or do they just revoke your license?

Quoting DeltaGuy (Thread starter):
Speeding, 74 in a 65.

I hardly consider that speeding. You are supposed to be allowed 10 MPH over the limit right?

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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:33 am

Quoting DAL7e7 (Reply 11):
You are supposed to be allowed 10 MPH over the limit right?

No, as a general rule though, most cops give a 9 mph leeway. But technically they can give you a ticket for going 1 mph over the limit
 
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:55 am

My Airline pays back all speeding tickets if I got them while trying to get to the Airport in time for an unscheduled flight!!
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:59 am




Quoting A330 (Reply 13):
My Airline pays back all speeding tickets if I got them while trying to get to the Airport in time for an unscheduled flight!!



Are you serious? If so, I think I may apply solely for the speeding benefits.  biggrin 




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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:16 pm

Is this serious.Is it applicable to all countries.Whats the Logic.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:01 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15):
Whats the Logic.

Not responsible enough to follow the posted speed limit = Not responsible enough to handle a machine that costs several million dollars and holds a few hundred people.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:34 pm

Quoting B744F (Reply 12):
But technically they can give you a ticket for going 1 mph over the limit

In Florida a cop CANNOT give you a ticket for 5mph over the limit or less. He can write you a warning, but not a citation.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:17 pm

I read the header of this topic and thought it was a funny one, as I assumed it was speeding during taxi with an aircraft.

Does this topic really belong here!?

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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:33 pm

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 17):
In Florida a cop CANNOT give you a ticket for 5mph over the limit or less. He can write you a warning, but not a citation.

What is the state law or regulation that stipulates that? Speeding is a strict liability offense in which any defense would have to override prima facie evidence to the contrary. Here in Arizona you can only take traffic survival school once every two years if your case is eligible for it. To qualify for traffic survival school the offense must be a moving violation that can result in points being assessed against the driver's license, not have resulted in a wreck/accident and/or be a criminal complaint (ie. reckless endangerment, attempting to elude a law enforcement vehicle, etc.).
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:04 am

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 9):
I hate some cops. Like on the Florida Turnpike while goin 90mph in a 70mph but it is 1am why should I have to go 70mph when there is not even anyone else on the road.

It doesn't sound as though you really have any beef with the cops. Rather, it sounds like what you actually hate are the speed limits.

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 9):
Anyway yea if you already have 3 tickets just slow down and get your self a good radar detector.

Talk about contradictory advice.

Quoting DAL7e7 (Reply 11):
You are supposed to be allowed 10 MPH over the limit right?

Based on what?

Quoting B744F (Reply 12):
But technically they can give you a ticket for going 1 mph over the limit

If you're going to get 'technical' then you might as well take it all the way. A police officer can give you a speeding ticket for traveling 10MPH under the speed limit if he or she deems that speed to be unsafe under current conditions of the road surface. At least, that's the way it works in TX.

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 17):
In Florida a cop CANNOT give you a ticket for 5mph over the limit or less. He can write you a warning, but not a citation.



Quoting 57AZ (Reply 19):
What is the state law or regulation that stipulates that?

No kidding. Talk is cheap, and typing is even cheaper. You need to backup comments like that with hard facts and links Mr. Blue.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:00 am

I think more important here, and so far completely missed except by CaptOveur, is the responsibility issue.

If you're willing to break seemingly petty laws just because you don't understand their importance or simply don't agree with them, should you really be piloting an aircraft? My vote is for no.

According to the FAR, pilot certificates will only be revoked or denied to applicants for motor vehicle offenses involving drugs or alcohol, especially class II or III certificates (for part 121 or part 135 operations). Still, it could be very difficult to find a job with a lengthy driving violation record. I think the best advice you could take is to obey the law!
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:08 pm

Quoting Bri2k1 (Reply 21):
I think the best advice you could take is to obey the law!

Bottom line.....Rules are there for a reson.Follow them.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:40 pm

ahhh. that's why a love german autobahns... at least in my area you can drive whatever you want. As long as the traffic allows it.#

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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:00 am

Don't understand your concern, the only traffic offense that has to be reported to the feds would be a DUI.

Unless your talking about a FUTURE potential employer asking these questions on an application, the fed's don't care.

I have a heavy right foot and enjoy my speed, which is a bit of a challenge in the land of fast walkers and slow drivers, but I use a Valentine one radar detector and have an attorney I send all my tickets to.

Have been using him for over three years and he has never failed to get the ticket dismissed with NO POINTS, definetly worth his $100 fee!
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:19 pm

Quoting A330 (Reply 13):
My Airline pays back all speeding tickets if I got them while trying to get to the Airport in time for an unscheduled flight!!

While that may sound nice, but it won't take care of the driving record marred by the tickets, no matter who pays for it.

For me, I prefer to fight the system. If everyone fought it by pleading not guilty to every single one, courts would be backed forever and the revenue system will fail.

Hell even the courts in NY are backlogged in traffic tickets over 2 year span.
 
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:30 pm

Quoting 777WT (Reply 25):
Quoting A330 (Reply 13):
My Airline pays back all speeding tickets if I got them while trying to get to the Airport in time for an unscheduled flight

How would that help.Maybe help in avoiding the Tickets would be useful.
Personally I believe Rules are for a reason so need to be followed.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:56 pm

It may also be a matter of insurance.

As a private pilot my insurance company asks me a number of questions every year when I renew including if I have had 3 or more driving infractions in the past (year, 5 years, can't recall exactly).

A lot of risk management assumes that previous behavior is a reflection of your future behavior. I guess they figure a reckless driver is more likely to be a reckless pilot.
 
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:19 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 16):
Not responsible enough to follow the posted speed limit = Not responsible enough to handle a machine that costs several million dollars and holds a few hundred people.

Balls. If every pilot that speeded was prevented from flying there would be nobody left to fly the aircraft! Ok, a bit of an overeaction there but my point is lots of people speed to a certain degree, even off duty police officers. It is really about where you speed. 9mph over the limit on the motorway is no big deal, in fact its pretty normal BUT 9mph over the limit in a 30 zone is careless. I seem to remember an advert running on tv at the moment "do 30mph & the child has an 80% chance of living, do 40mph & the child has an 80% chance of dying".

Anyway, my 2p worth,
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:40 pm




Quoting Schooner (Reply 28):
Ok, a bit of an overeaction there but my point is lots of people speed to a certain degree, even off duty police officers.



Around here, police officers are the worst. Even on duty, they typically drive in excess of 20 mph over the limit, without their lights or siren on. In addition, the dozen or so cops I know drive as fast or faster when they're off-duty.

Kind of throws that whole "lead by example" logic out the window.



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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:21 pm

Is there any Link to the Speeding ticket restriction.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:18 am

Quoting Schooner (Reply 28):
a bit of an overeaction there but my point is lots of people speed to a certain degree,

I am not denying that.. I am saying if you get 5 in a year or something it may be a sign of another problem... specifically not being able to follow the rules. Everybody speeds but not everybody gets several tickets, it isn't just luck.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:02 am

Ok, fair point!

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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:34 pm

Alright, so I realize I've created an off-topic monster on the techops forum, but it's somewhat relevant, right?

So I booked a court date to have a hearing about the ticket, I plan to plead "no contest"...no points, just pay court costs. Well, as luck would have it, when I was online reviewing the ticket, I found that the officer completely butchered my license plate. My plate is a 7-character custom tag (won't reveal it on here obviously), but he only put 6 of the letters, and confused a "5" for an "S", and a "1" for an "I". So when I go for my hearing, I'll have to point that out. From what I understand (from folks who have been in this same position), that makes the ticket invalid, through basis of technicality.

Anyways, so there's the update...would be nice to have one less ticket on my record.

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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:50 am

What I was told when I was applying to regional airlines is that one speeding ticket won't hurt you. If you have more than one ticket currently on your record, some carriers will start raising eyebrows. As others have mentioned, it's not necessarily about being unsafe. It shows a person's respect for regulations and laws. The idea is that if you don't respect traffic laws to the extent that you have several speeding tickets on your driving record, why would they think you have respect for air regulations?
 
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:46 pm

Is there a limit in the US on how many speed tickets you are allowed to have?

If you are too fast by less than 10km/h (= 7mph), you can get an infinite amount of speed tickets (youll be the best friend of the state then, as this cost you 15eur every time). If you are faster, you get points which are marked in the federal registry where all driving permissions are regitstrated. If you are faster by 40km/h or more, you lose your drivers license for 1 month and get 4 points. These points are accumulated and saved for 2 years, after that, I think 2 are deleted unless you got more points during the last 2 years.

If you get 17 points, your drivers license is gone.

Its a very fair system, one of the few times where we actually invented something which is really efficient and transparent.
 
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:33 am

Depends on the particular offense and whether points are assessed. That varies from state to state. One example of a law that varies from state to state is Arizona's Aggressive Driving law. In most states, all you will get for aggressive driving at most is a fine and points on your license. Arizona's law defines Aggressive Driving as a Class One misdemeanor which is the same category as DUI offenses. Anyone convicted of a Class One misdemeanor can face a fine and jail in addition to a three month revocation for the first offense in addition to having to attend court mandated counseling or traffic survival school. A second offense within two years will result in a one year revocation. All citations remain on the motorist's driving record for five years. Also, in most cases the license revocation is immediate. I should also note that Arizona is very aggressive in removing Aggressive Drivers from our roadways. The Arizona Highway Patrol and the Pima County Sheriff's Department heavily utilize stealth patrols (unmarked custom cars) to nab aggressive drivers.

As for pleading no contest, don't bet the house on no points unless there is a citation or case law to back that up. Pleading Nolo Contendre (no contest) in a traffic case is essentially the same as pleading guilty. That said, I doubt the judge would not assess some points or a fine for good measure. You might be able to get the ticket thrown out based on the incorrect custom tag. On the minus side, having a custom tag makes it more likely that the officer will remember you or enough about the vehicle to make the ticket stick even though the number on the citation is incorrect. As long as they can place you and your vehicle at the scene and time of the violation, they've got you.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:30 pm

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 5):
When I saw the topic header I thought you meant exceeding any speed limits set by ATC....

me too

Quoting 777WT (Reply 25):
Hell even the courts in NY are backlogged in traffic tickets over 2 year span.

NY-Speeding tickets? All the pictures I see are of thousands of Yellow Cabs not moving anywhere
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:46 am

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 37):
NY-Speeding tickets? All the pictures I see are of thousands of Yellow Cabs not moving anywhere

All traffic tickets that is.
 
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:59 am

Quoting Schooner (Reply 28):
It is really about where you speed. 9mph over the limit on the motorway is no big deal, in fact its pretty normal BUT 9mph over the limit in a 30 zone is careless. I seem to remember an advert running on tv at the moment "do 30mph & the child has an 80% chance of living, do 40mph & the child has an 80% chance of dying".


Are you serious?

What about do 5mph and the child has a 99% chance of living?
That's OK then???? The 1%???

No, it's all careless and it's all speeding and it's all against the law.
That's the biggest bit of dribble I've read in a long while!

It is a big deal when you get caught...and that can be ANYTIME you are over the speed limit.

Sure, I speed some of the time, but I also understand the law and the consequences.


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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:07 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 35):
Is there a limit in the US on how many speed tickets you are allowed to have?

Yes, every state has different rules;

For NY if you receive 11 points or more in 18 months, the Department of Motor Vehicles suspends your license.

and there's a point system. It goes like 3 points for 1-10mph, 4 for 11-20mph, 6 for 21-30mph, 8 for 31-40mph. More than 40mph would be 11 points.

Then there's reckless driving points and that would be 5. Most other points are under 4 for real crap violations.

That's for driving in NY with a NY license.

If I drive out of state, no points will go on my record but the fine will still have to be paid if convicted.

Now NY DMV is a real messed up if you ask me. Violations stay on your record for 3 years and that starts from the day your convicted in court, not the day you got the ticket.

And recently the NY DMV came up with another bull crap

Quote:
The DMV removes a conviction or an accident from a driver record on January 1 of the fourth year after the year of the conviction or the accident. For example, an accident or a conviction that occurred during 2003 remains on the driver record until January 1, 2007.

Then the NY DMV came up with this 100% horse crap
"Driver Responsibility Assessment" which is just another milk cow for them, nothing about safety.

Which is:

Quote:

If you receive six points on your driver record during a period of 18 months, the annual assessment is $100. The minimum amount that you must pay each year is the annual assessment. The total assessment for the three years is $300. If you receive more than six points on your driver record during a period of 18 months, the annual assessment is $25 for each point more than the original six points. The minimum amount that you must pay each year is the annual assessment. The total assessment for the three years is $75 for each point more than the original six points.

This is why I'm moving out of NY when I finish my goals, the stupid DMV and the high taxes in NY metro area.

Some people do get around this by opening up a P.O. box in a post office out of the state and use that address to sign up for a license and they don't get any points on their license this way.
All the mail that gets delivered there are automatically fowarded to their real address.
 
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:57 pm

Quoting 777WT (Reply 40):
Now NY DMV is a real messed up if you ask me. Violations stay on your record for 3 years and that starts from the day your convicted in court, not the day you got the ticket.

You all are lucky there. Violations in Arizona stay on your record for five years. Of course, some violations such as DUI or Aggressive Driving never really go away since permanent court records are maintained for ninty-nine years here and you will be criminally charged in Superior Court for those offenses.

Here in AZ, any driver who accrues 8 points or more in a 12 month period can have their driving privilages suspended. DUI, Extreme DUI, Reckless Driving, Racing and Aggressive Driving will get you 8 points on your license. DUI and Aggressive Driving will also get you an immediate license suspension plus possible jail time. Leaving the Scene of an Accident and Failure to Stop for a Traffic Signal/Stop Sign/Yield Right of Way resulting in Death will get you a 6 point assessment while Failure to Stop for a Traffic Signal/Stop Sign/Yield Right of Way resulting in Serious Injury will get you 4 points. Speeding is a 3 point assessment with all other moving violations being two points.

Quoting 777WT (Reply 40):
Some people do get around this by opening up a P.O. box in a post office out of the state and use that address to sign up for a license and they don't get any points on their license this way.
All the mail that gets delivered there are automatically fowarded to their real address.

Here in Arizona, if you are a resident you cannot use a Post Office box as the official residence listed on your driver's license. It has to be your physical street address. Some folks attempt to get around the AZ Motor Vehicle tax by not registering their vehicles as soon as they move to Arizona. The state has been cracking down on unregistered out of state vehicles, offering a toll free line for residents to report vehicles that should be registered but still have out of state tags.
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:33 am

Quoting 777WT (Reply 40):

Ok, thank you. This sounds almost exactly like the German system. I am always astonished that the US do not have a federal system in regards of driver licenses, but given the fact that driving in New York is more difficult than, lets say, in Nebraska, its understandable.

These driver licenses vary also in their grade of acceptance. When you have a driver license from New York, you can just get a German one without problems, while you need to do practical exams with drivers licenses from some other US states (this might sound discrimatory, but it is done in order to cope the problem that some Germans go to the US, get a drivers license with 16 and drive in Europe without proper qualification).

In Europe, every state has its own drivers license, but we introduced identical classes some years ago, so that a typical car license is a category "B" license everywhere in Europe. Yet, only German licenses can be revoked by the German government, it is only possible for the German government to revoke the driving permission inside Germany for, lets say, a French driving license. Therefore, the sanctioning system is different from country to country. We have a point system very similiar to yours, Denmark has a "klippekort" system where you lose the license after 3 offences, and other countries have different systems, as well.

Regarding aviation, there was quite an issue last year when it was published in Danish media that some SAS pilots were allowed to fly, while they had lost their Driving licenses due to drinking. This caused a huge discussion, but legally it was not possible to revoke the ATPL. I think this really is something which should be discussed. I don't think that losing your drivers license necessarily means you are unable to fly an airplane responsibly, however if you drive drunk, I would think this is a little bit different.

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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:10 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 39):
What about do 5mph and the child has a 99% chance of living?
That's OK then???? The 1%???

Ok, lets ban cars and walk everywhere! I dont quite follow your argument there. What I was trying to illustrate was that sometimes we do speed but its the situation that dictates whether it is dangerous or not. Once again, 10mph over the limit on the motorway is no big deal, 10mph over the limit in a 30 zone is dangerous. My bit about that ad was merely used to illustrate that extra speed in an urban environment can be deadly, 10mph extra & little Timmy is stuffed! 10mph extra on the motorway is pretty inconsequential.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 39):
No, it's all careless and it's all speeding and it's all against the law.
That's the biggest bit of dribble I've read in a long while!

and

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 39):
Sure, I speed some of the time, but I also understand the law and the consequences.

Well make your mind up then!!! You understand the law but happily continue to flaunt it? I fail to understand what you are getting at there.

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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:11 am

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 41):
You all are lucky there. Violations in Arizona stay on your record for five years. Of course, some violations such as DUI or Aggressive Driving never really go away since permanent court records are maintained for ninty-nine years here and you will be criminally charged in Superior Court for those offenses.

Any alcohol or drug related conviction resulting from the use of a motor vehicle can stay on record for 10 years in NY.
 
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:45 am

One more question about the US law: If I drive 150mph in Arizona while I have a license from NYC, can I lose it? Am I allowed to drive with a drivers license from any US state in all other states (so that I can drive in all 52states with my NYC license?)?
 
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:35 am

Quoting Schooner (Reply 43):
but its the situation that dictates whether it is dangerous or not.



Quoting Schooner (Reply 43):
10mph extra on the motorway is pretty inconsequential.

I wonder how many people in wrecks said that?

It's like the people who drink and drive but are much more 'careful' because they know they are impaired !

My point is, wrong is wrong.

Where did I say ban all cars?? Don't go overboard here.

I have made my mind up don't be concerned .... I speed now and again, but I don't spout to the world how 'safe' it is when I do it, OK? The law dictates how fast we should go, not the situation, unless you are on an Autobahn. Whether you think that speed limit makes sense, really doesn't matter a jot.


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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:38 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 45):
One more question about the US law: If I drive 150mph in Arizona while I have a license from NYC, can I lose it? Am I allowed to drive with a drivers license from any US state in all other states (so that I can drive in all 52states with my NYC license?)?

There's no NYC license, it goes by state. So it just NY State License.

Doing 150mph and getting caught will get you put in jail for endangering yourself and others.

The funny part is that some radar guns goes up to 99mph. The newer ones goes up to a specified speed.
If they didn't get your speed by can tell easily by just judging the speed if it's excessive. They can't put down the exact speed, just a charge under "excessive speed"

In some states, manslaughter charge is a possibly if you have an pax (other than the driver) in the car.
Not sure about AZ but it's possible in NY in excess of 100mph.
85-90% of the time the police will go by the book for excessive speed.

The rest will be upon reason, attitude, the officer's day and the mood.

The state of Montana major highway used to have a sign that says "Speed, Daytime: Resonable and prudent, Night time 70 MPH. Trucks: 65 MPH"

But that changed recently to "Speed Limit 70 MPH"

If you want to drive at a high speed in the US, better off going to a race track or a road on a private land.

Yes you can drive in any state in the U.S. or land owned by the U.S. with a state license.
 
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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:00 pm

If you have a ticket over $200 its a flag for the FAA. If you go to fly for them, or be a controller (in my case), the ticket sets off a flag during your security clearance. Its a long ordeal, like 3 months, for them to track down the officer, the judge, everything. Pain in the rear. (I personally have 1 ticket, 52 in a 35, back country road, farm country, $128).


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RE: How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?

Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:28 pm

Quoting 777WT (Reply 47):
The funny part is that some radar guns goes up to 99mph

Ok, that would not really help here. Last week I read about a guy who was stopped at the Autobahn driving 250km/h (160 or so mph if I remember correct) at a place where only 100 km/h (around 65) were allowed.

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