wrighbrothers
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Why 2 Flight Engineers?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:33 am

Hello all, I was just wondering why certain aircrafts have 2 Flight Engineers ( the AN124/AN225). Is it because their systems are too complex for 1 F/E or something else?. Any answers are appreciated

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RE: Why 2 Flight Engineers?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:23 am

They need a rested flight engineer on the flight deck after the other guy has been up all night correcting faults. Particularly when they are away, as these Antonovs so often are, from home base maintenance.
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RE: Why 2 Flight Engineers?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:52 pm

At MAA these AN-124s Freighters have a huge crew carried along with the Aircraft.
Even the Dismantling & Reassembly & Storage of the Towbar is time consuming job.
The crew have a ladder to come down into the main cargo deck from the upper deck.
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RE: Why 2 Flight Engineers?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:16 pm

I do not know about the "ANs" in particular, but generally aircraft carried 2 F/Es as part of a heavy crew which is required when long trips are to be undertaken. The heavy crew would normally consist of 3 pilots and 2 F/Es [In BA anyway]

Now if you go back to the days of piston powered prop aircraft the long haul types would normally carry 2 F/Es

1] Because of the long duty days

2] To get the best out of the engines the F/Es work was continuous
and tiring so a relief F/E was required at intervals shorter than
those of today

3] A lot of the evaluation of faults and settings depended on pure
experience when operating these type of aircraft, and this could
really only be learnt by time on the aircraft. So one F/E would be
senior and the other somewhat more junior . Being a F/E in those
days was really a black art

Anyway mostly those days are gone now little vc10
 
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RE: Why 2 Flight Engineers?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:13 pm

Thank you for your posts.
I was just doing a photo search and found this photo of the An-225

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There are 2 seats facing the F/E pannel, I know that the 2nd F/E obviously has to have a seat to sit in but is this to do with what VC-10 has said or does it need 2 F/E
In short are thyere any airrafts that need 2 Flight Engineers ( i.e- no relif/observing/tranning F/E) ?
Thanks

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RE: Why 2 Flight Engineers?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:37 pm

These russian aircraft are wonderful and very useful, but in terms of automatisation and electronics, the soviet union never was able to close the gap to the west, so these aircraft require a bigger crew. However, given the fact that the AN-225 has a monopoly in its size, this is not a cost factor which is relevant  Wink
 
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RE: Why 2 Flight Engineers?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:25 pm

The Soviets didn't have much reason to close the gap. They had lots of people that they had to employ.  Smile
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RE: Why 2 Flight Engineers?

Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:09 am

So if there are two FE's on the right side, who is sitting and working on the left? Looks like a navigator with the radar scope....
 
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RE: Why 2 Flight Engineers?

Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:19 am

Quoting 727EMflyer (Reply 7):
So if there are two FE's on the right side, who is sitting and working on the left? Looks like a navigator with the radar scope....

It's the navigator and the radio operator  Smile

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