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Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:15 pm



Pilots...I'm thinking along the lines of ATC requests, military ops, international ops, and special cases. What's the fastest (indicated) you've flown below 10,000 feet?

Feel free to describe cases involving "someone you know".  Wink

Sadly, my maximum is around 190 knots.




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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:59 pm

330 knots in the 'old' days. Then again I was never in the air force!
 
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:02 pm

Well sometimes i know airplanes a cleared high speed below 10K so they don't fly the indicated of 250. I think then they fly around 280 up to 300.
But i might be wrong here.

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:45 pm

325kts? Has to be slower than 313kts below 8000` for protection against frozen chickens in the 757 at least!

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:21 pm

365 KIAS, Lockheed TriStar....just yesterday.
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:25 pm

In the military, about 590KIAS at about 200'. It's pretty common to do a descent in other countries and exceed 250K below 10000. Our company SOP is 250 below 5000'.
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:01 pm

Quoting Schooner (Reply 3):

325kts? Has to be slower than 313kts below 8000` for protection against frozen chickens in the 757 at least!

Elobrate Pls.
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:42 pm

Barber pole minus one knot.

As has been said there are many places in the world where this can be done. At one time it was believed (incorrectly, it turns out) that the arrivals from over Catalina Island to KSNA you could maintain barber pole until three miles from the shoreline. At least one airline routinely did so - motoring through a training area infested with Cessnas at 320-330 Knots.

I have a cool piece of video of a friend doing three low-level passes in a DC-9. It was all coordinated with the FAA and all the squares were filled. The first pass was at 180K and was not good for our purposes. It was nose-high and looked a little scary. Second pass was at 250 and looked pretty good. Third pass was at 345 where redline was 348. Sounded like a military jet, and he had to push to keep it in ground effect. That is a really choice piece of video and made for some good still photos, which was the objective.

If I had taken the stills that day I would post them on here. The guy who did is a regular browser here but not a member. I cannot talk him into posting the pics.
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:20 pm

330KIAS on 732 today on a rediffusion 732 Sim LOL... that doesn't count does it? :P

330 KIAS on a 732 while jumpseating is a regular occurence...

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:35 am

350 knots jumpseating on a 757 autothrottle had disconnected having some sort of problem with the REEC just after takeoff from JFK at about 3000ft.....we were told very loudly to slow down
 
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:00 am

MEL, below 313kts below 8000ft the windows are designed to withstand an impact from a bird. Above that their integrity is not assured but we are apparently ok because birds dont fly any higher than that (says the man from Boeing!!  ).

Quoting 752is (Reply 9):
350 knots jumpseating on a 757 autothrottle had disconnected having some sort of problem with the REEC just after takeoff from JFK at about 3000ft.....we were told very loudly to slow down

Christ, thats up against the barbers pole at that low altitude!

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:11 am

Over the summer, I was given the opportunity to fly in a T-38. We went in a MOA to practice bombing runs, and we did 400 knots IAS going between 2000 and 6000 feet.
 
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:21 am

ATC said best forward speed until further notice. So we flew barber pole - all the way to 2 mile final, when the tower told us we were going a little too fast.
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:56 pm

Anyone remember about 10 months back when Houston TRACON had the ability to allow departures to climb at whatever their flight plan sleep was...term used "no speed limit"? We'd see B752's, B762/4's go up to 350 KIAS and wow would they ever have a great vertical speed as well....there were some B727's with the high dash number engines that AA had would be up in the 390 KIAS (or so they said)!  Smile Most B73NG's climb around 320-330 KIAS and MD8X's, 335 KIAS. Great ATC tool that was taken away from us and want it back!
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:58 pm

Guess I need more rest.....first sentence should have been "flight plan speed"....whoops
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:38 pm

Quoting Woodreau (Reply 12):
ATC said best forward speed until further notice. So we flew barber pole - all the way to 2 mile final, when the tower told us we were going a little too fast.

Are you serious.
About Exceeding the Barber poles.
When was this event.What type Aircraft.
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:06 pm

Quoting Schooner (Reply 10):
we are apparently ok because birds dont fly any higher than that

LOL ! Birds fly way higher. Geese cross the Himalayas for example.

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:14 pm

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 16):

Also swans have been known to cruise at FL220(22,000 feet) and in the 1970's the highest recorded aircraft impact with a bird (a griffen vulture) occured at 28,000 feet in east africa both the aircraft and bird had to make a emegency landing.No such thing as TCAS in those days for the aircraft and bird to put it's squawk into.
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:04 am

170 Kias.PA-38 Tomahawk II, LV-ANJ.

Not impresive, but oh well, is better than nothing.

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:11 am

I got 135 today in a C-172/R!!! (if it is any consolation, the groundspeed hit 183)
 
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:20 am

Quoting 2H4 (Thread starter):
What's the fastest (indicated) you've flown below 10,000 feet?

Around 330 knots in a B741.

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 18):
170 Kias.PA-38 Tomahawk II, LV-ANJ.

Perhaps a little typo in your post?

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:01 pm




Quoting Woodreau (Reply 12):
So we flew barber pole - all the way to 2 mile final, when the tower told us we were going a little too fast.



What were you flying...and was it difficult to get slowed down in time?




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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 1

Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:12 pm

500 KIAS @ 200ft in the Nevada Desert. Have also done M1.0+ at 9K or so over the ocean (don't remember how fast, just looked at the Mach after pulling out of a dive and saw above 1.0 and said Oh S..T, better slow down).

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:55 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 21):

What were you flying...and was it difficult to get slowed down in time?
2H4

I was flying a turboprop and barberpole for the aircraft is 248kts indicated. Keeping best forward speed is a typical request during the evening crush. Normally the instructions are, "Cleared for the ILS 18R approach, best forward speed (or whatever assigned speed) until the outer marker" which is about a 5 mile final. We intercept the localizer, and intercept the glideslope and ride the glideslope down at barberpole until the outer marker. If they give us an assigned speed, like 180kts, we fly 180kts, the assigned speed.

It was just that particular day, ATC told us "best forward speed until told otherwise." I think the approach controller forgot when he told us to switch to tower. Tower didn't mention anything to us other than to tell a following jet, "Runway 18R cleared to land #2 behind a 'hot' turboprop." I don't think it was that close to 2 mile final when we slowed, but it was inside the outer marker, so we decided that ATC probably didn't need us to keep the speed up any more somewhere between 3 and 4 mile final, we slowed the aircraft from 245-248kts to Vapp (140kts).

You reduce the power and decrease the rate of descent from 1500-1800ft/min to 700-800ft/min as the aircraft slows to stay on the glideslope. As the speed bleeds off, configure for landing, approach flaps, gear down, landing flaps.

The speed comes off very quickly and smoothly all while descending on the glideslope, probably takes a mile/mile and a half to slow from Vmo to Vapp. It's easily doable in a turboprop, but I would not do this in a CRJ-200 or any other jet.

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:44 am

205 KIAS at about 200' MSL, in a CH-53E helicopter...

About 180 KIAS at 20' AGL once, too.
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:28 am

M1.0 at 100 AGL, KEDW.

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:38 pm

Oh I feel terribly mis-quoted here today!
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:01 pm

No harm meant, we see what the Boeing guy said  Wink

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:29 am

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 25):
M1.0 at 100 AGL, KEDW.

Please elaborate.
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:48 pm

Ta! Was going to have a sulk then Big grin

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:53 pm

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 25):
M1.0 at 100 AGL, KEDW.

Is that a Typo.
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:58 am

no, it's not a typo .
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:56 am

350 knots in a Lockheed JetStar, right on the barber pole at 2500 feet flying VFR on severe clear days over the Long Island Sound on positioning flights. This was in the good old days just before the 250 knots under 10,000 feet law was implemented.

The old straight turbojet JetStars made a lot of noise and I am sure we disturbed more than a few boaters out for a nice quiet day of sailing on the Long Island Sound.
 
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 28):
Please elaborate.

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:09 pm

Shortly after take-off we would be at 400 kts IAS, whilst climbing at 4,000 fpm, on most departures from JFK and LHR.

We used to keep the speed relatively low on climb out, until around 26,000 ft, when we would start to accelerate.

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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 31):
no, it's not a typo .

Must've been on helluva tailwind.
 
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:24 pm




Quoting Cancidas (Reply 25):
M1.0 at 100 AGL, KEDW.

C'mon, Cancidas, don't leave us hanging like this...what were you flying?




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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:26 am

I recall the turkey vulture strike was near 37k feet, not 28k feet......
 
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:22 pm

310 ias into sea on an MD-80.i was in the jumpseat and we were told speed was unrestricted to the airport.the other was 115 in my mustang over the bridge(ford)  box 
 
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RE: Pilots-What's The Fastest You've Flown Below 10K?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:04 pm

Quoting Bellerophon (Reply 34):
Shortly after take-off we would be at 400 kts IAS, whilst climbing at 4,000 fpm, on most departures from JFK and LHR

Rub it in some more please!  Smile
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