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When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:07 am

i'm curious as to what the procedure is for turning on an airliner's landing lights. when does it happen?

does it happen at a certain altitude? is it airport dependent? airline dependent? or is it just part of the approach procedure of any airplane?


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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:10 am

Speaking for my airline only, we used to turn them on descending out of 10,000 feet but changed the procedure to make that out of 18,000 feet a few years ago. Generally speaking, I'd say that most airlines switch them on at 10,000.
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:12 am

I imagine it depends on visibility and weather conditions. A few years ago I asked the FA jokingly "Excuse me, I think somebody left the landing light on" He wasn't very amused Big grin Maybe he had a bad flight that day.
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:16 am

AV policy turns them off climbing and on descending through 10.000 feet above field elevation.

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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:18 am

Our airline on the ERJ (not expressjet) we turn the wing lights on at 18000. the nose landing light when cleared for the approach and the nose taxi light on when we are cleared to land.
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:18 am

OPNL: So on those short hops PHL-PIT for instance, do your guys just leave them on all flight? I've noticed a few times that 18,000 is the cruise on those on Flightaware. Although that varies by wx/traffic I'm sure.
 
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:19 am

They're normally switched off at 10,000 feet. not sure about switching them on, I know SAS in particular switch them on when they get landing clearance. You hear them on the scanner repeating the landing clearance and the lights come on at the same time!
 
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:33 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 5):
OPNL: So on those short hops PHL-PIT for instance, do your guys just leave them on all flight? I've noticed a few times that 18,000 is the cruise on those on Flightaware. Although that varies by wx/traffic I'm sure.

Cruising at 18,000 they'd be off. Descending out of 18,000, they'd be on.
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:35 am

I thought they used to turn the lights on at 10,000 feet but as I flew MH ARN-EWR a month ago I recognized that the lights were turned on the same moment we started our descend from 36,000 feet.

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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:39 am

how about strobe, NAV and Beacons whats the procedures for these 3?

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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:55 am

I'm not a pilot, but I remember a BA Captain telling me that landing lights are switched on at 10,000ft - even in daylight - as it had the effect of reducing bird strikes! Well, I certainly believed him!
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 9):
how about strobe, NAV and Beacons whats the procedures for these 3?

The red beacons are on any time the a/c is moving or the engines are running. Strobe lights are usually turned on when taking the runway for departure and turned off when clearing after landing. NAV lights are on unless the a/c is parked for the night (some operators leave them on even in this case).
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 10):
I'm not a pilot, but I remember a BA Captain telling me that landing lights are switched on at 10,000ft - even in daylight - as it had the effect of reducing bird strikes! Well, I certainly believed him!

Well, remember landing lights are used more so that other aircraft can see YOU. Same way cars have daytime running lights. Has little to do with day/night or vizibility.

Strobes are rarely turned on until the last moment when taking the active runway - can be very distracting and confused with REILs etc.


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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:41 am

There is no requirement for nav lights daytime, and a lot of aircraft here leave them off.
 
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 13):
There is no requirement for nav lights daytime, and a lot of aircraft here leave them off.

Right, but we're talking landing lights. Usually part of the checklist for descents, before landing etc. It is also a FAA recommendation for departing aircraft after takeoff clearance, as a study highlighted that less runway incursions might occur if this SOP was used.


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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:39 am

The BEACON lights need to be turned on whenever the engines are on or are about to be on so guys on the ground are aware. The strobe lights don't have to be on all the time when on the ground like when you are taxing at night. They have to be on when you are on a runway or in flight. Landing lights are on below 10kfeet or when you know you are in a busy airspace for safety. NAV lights are only useful at night.
 
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:48 am

I'd be careful about your use of 'Need to...' and 'have to...'.

Most of what you described are part of operating procedures (not FAA requirements) that may vary depending on the aircraft and/or operator. Sure, most are good practice.


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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:18 am

I turn the beacons on when I start the engine. Nav lights at sun down (or very close to sun down) and strobes I wait until the last moment to turn them on because it is extremely annoying and blinding to other pilots. So usually while taxiing into position for T/O.
 
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:10 am

To add my 5 cents  Smile - The turned on beacons can be remembered as "aircraft active". At any point of time if the aircraft is active, that is, having the engines running the beacons must always be on. Notice that groundcrew (except the people who put the chocks in place at the gears) are not allowed to go near the aircraft until the beacons are turned off... which usually are after the engines are cut.
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:23 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 1):
Generally speaking, I'd say that most airlines switch them on at 10,000.

 checkmark  yes 

I was going to say this as well. Most airlines have specific altitudes that 'lights on' is required, but if there isn't one specified it is common technique to flip them on when descending through 10000.
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:57 am

Quoting Mr.BA (Reply 18):
Notice that groundcrew (except the people who put the chocks in place at the gears) are not allowed to go near the aircraft until the beacons are turned off... which usually are after the engines are cut.

In our plane, probably real bad practice, but the beacon switch is ALWAYS left on. Whenever the master switch is on, it's never left long without the engine running, and a piston engine could in theory accidentally start anytime the master is on, the beacon is flashing. Goes off of course a few seconds after engine shutdown when we turn off the master switch.


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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:27 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 20):
In our plane, probably real bad practice, but the beacon switch is ALWAYS left on.

I do it too, in civilian flying. It just lets everyone know that when the beacon is on, there's the possibility of the engine running. Better to be safe than sorry, especially when you're operating at an airfield with a lot of students running around. If they know to stay away from beacons, they'll be fine.
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:15 pm

10,000 ft Both on Climb [Switched off] or Descent [Switched on].
Irrespective of Day or Night.Helps reduce Bird strikes too.
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:59 pm

We always switch the beacon and nav lights on once the electrical is hot. Taxi light is left off during taxi in daylight. Once cleared to take the runway (on departure of uncontrolled fields) taxi, anti-collision strobes and landing lights are used. Descending into the destination airport, strobes and nav lights are turned on. Landing lights and taxi lights are not used until gear down. Landing lights are usually retracted and turned off on climbout. On the Cessna 400 series aircraft, the landing lights are retractible units located under each wingtip. When retracted they are flush with the bottom wing skin. When used, the pilot must extend them and switch them on.
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:05 pm

beacons arent only used when engines ar or are about to be running.....beacon shows the intention of the aircraft to move! we have to have our beacon flashing when we tow aircraft, no engines running!!
 
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:01 pm

HI ALL
I am sure below 10 000 ft during night flying all external light should be on .

During IMC condition u can turn it of because it will make confliction to pilot eyes ( even below 10 000 ft )

nothing in the rules taking about 18000 ft as I read in previous replays

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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:12 pm

My parents live directly underneath the flight path on the short B1900 hops MGW-PIT-MGW. At that point they are typically on their cruise, but under 10,000 ft. Typically on that triangle route the flights vary 5000-8000 ft cruises. (Can be verified on flightaware too) Every time it's dusk/night time and the flight comes over, and I've got the schedule remembered by heart basically... they come over with their landing lights on. This path is a bit west of the occassional LOC 5 approach to nearby VVS, as is it far enough west of the private PA88 strip at a resort. I came back to this thread because I saw the same exact thing last evening, right as I was pulling out of my parents' driveway after leaving from the Thanksgiving vacation... the evening B1900 coming over with its landing lights on.
 
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RE: When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:52 pm

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 23):
On the Cessna 400 series aircraft, the landing lights are retractible units located under each wingtip. When retracted they are flush with the bottom wing skin. When used, the pilot must extend them and switch them on.

I presume its a common Three posn switch.
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