WorldspotterPL
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What To Study Aviation Related!?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:27 am

Hi guys,
I am 17 years old, live in London and I am yet to complete my German abitur in 2007...in the English university system (ucas) we have to apply next year so obviously I am having thoughts about what to study. First of all it has always been THE dream to become airliner pilot...to go back to Germany to try to get into LH is really hard and on top of them only taking like 120 out of 10000 applicants per year (non actually at the moment I believe) I would also have to complete a year of voluntary work (zivil dienst) or be lucky and avoid the military service because of health issues. (which could be a problem when trying to become pilot though I suppose...). SO that's rather not the option.

SO England: what I'm looking at at the moment are things like studying 'Aviation Management' in Leeds or London Metro Uni.
- how are the chances of a good job in the industry
- do airlines/airports actually prefer applicants having studied this over say Business Students of really good Uni's

or become a pilot in England: I could simply ask my dad for a lot of money (PPL) or study 'Aviation Technology (Pilots Pathway)' which costs a lot as well though I guess...
- how save is it though to get a job as a pilot without having done the license at an airline where you're gonna get a job? (like at LH)

...having studied Aviation Management would provide me a much wider range of possible jobs in the future...however becoming a pilot would be the preferred option still...

I hope some of you with inside knowledge and experience of the industry might answer some of these questions...I hope its not confusing.

With best regards from beautiful London,


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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:45 am




Quoting WorldspotterPL (Thread starter):
or be lucky and avoid the military service because of health issues. (which could be a problem when trying to become pilot though I suppose



Don't spend any money on pilot training until you get any health issues sorted out. It would be a real shame to spend a fortune on your education, only to be grounded by a medical issue.




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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:37 am

I guess they won't let you start the PPL without the medical check...I will do a medical test soon

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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:32 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
Don't spend any money on pilot training until you get any health issues sorted out. It would be a real shame to spend a fortune on your education, only to be grounded by a medical issue.

 checkmark  yes 

Make sure you get this checked out before you invest anything. I've seen it many times where someone will dump everything they have in securing a loan for flight training, only to find out AFTERWARDS that they can't get their medical. You need to make sure you don't have anything that will prevent you from flying in the future.
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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:52 am

Hi Paul

Quoting WorldspotterPL (Thread starter):
what I'm looking at at the moment are things like studying 'Aviation Management' in Leeds

I am currently in my 2nd year of this course (aviation technology & management), msn me (poobaboon@hotmail.com) if you want to talk about the degree, but in my experience I don't regret dropping out of a computing degree and changing to aviation even though there are a few modules that bore me to the point of paper airplanes ( and I would have won the competition if they had chose a nice big hall!), like fluid mechanics/maths/materials, there are some really interesting modules too like meteorology/aircraft engines/transport policy to name a few. The current 3rd years and the students who have just graduated say the final year is the best and most interesting. This is the (crap) aviation website but it has the module listing on.

Like I said earlier just PM me or MSN me and I will gladly let you know anything about the degree or Leeds.

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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:17 pm

ahhh, great Dan, I will add you...thanks so much for the info so far, see you on msn.

what about the chances of a job though management compared to pilot? any comments on that?

Paul
 
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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:36 am

Paul,

You're too nice to be a pilot...  Wink With a degree in anything, the world is your oyster! Just take a course that interests you and will hold your attention for 3 years.

You *really* dont want to get stuck on a course that you hate, remember you'll be paying for it once you're graduated and got a job!!

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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:44 am

One more thing ... Usually the airlines don't care what degree you have but they want to see that you got a 4 years degree.
 
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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:12 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
Don't spend any money on pilot training until you get any health issues sorted out. It would be a real shame to spend a fortune on your education, only to be grounded by a medical issue.

I guess it's a missunderstanding (are there really that long words in English confused  ). Many young German males develop spontaneously mysterial diseases at the age of 18-19 (in order to avoid to go to the military or doing social work for nearly a year). I bet he belongs to this group.

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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:15 am

Thanks Kev  Smile

So what you guys mean is that for an airline management career I don't need an aviation degree but any degree, the better the uni, the better the chances? I just don't want to be like everyone else, to study business management is simply what everyone does and you have to be somewhat outstanding eg be at a really good uni. with a degree in music I won't be able to get into the aviation industry, right?  Silly

What about being a pilot though...I keep hearing that there are so many jobless pilots around the world, on the other hand I keep hearing that traffic will double in the next 15 years! How risky is it to get a ppl and hope for a job?

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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 8):
Many young German males develop spontaneously mysterial diseases at the age of 18-19 (in order to avoid to go to the military or doing social work for nearly a year). I bet he belongs to this group.

It's a requirement at LH to have done your wehrpflicht or sozial dienst.
I'd be happy to do my wehrpflicht, they're classifying everyone now and only people in the top two categories get selected for it AFAIK.
thanks

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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:00 am




Quoting Pelican (Reply 8):
I guess it's a missunderstanding (are there really that long words in English ).



When it comes to long words, English has got nothing on German.

Fussballweltmeisterschaftsqualifikationsspiel

Vierwaldstaetterseedampfschiffahrtsgesellschaft

Rechtsschutzversicherungsgesellschaften

Donaudampfschiffahrtselektrizitaetenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengessellschaft


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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:46 pm

Quote:
One more thing ... Usually the airlines don't care what degree you have but they want to see that you got a 4 years degree.



Most degrees are 3 years, why do airlines want 4 years?

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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:56 pm

If you want a business degree, I would avoid specalising in Aviation Management, rather go for a general Business Degree/diploma or better still Project Management, it widens your options. Airlines take on all sort of degrees (law, marketing, HR, accountants etc) rarely do I see an airline specifically ask for an Aviation Management degree. Do not forget aviation is not just airlines, its all the support companies such as component shops, maintenance facilities, catering, ticketing, IT, planning, customer services, cleaning etc. Best to keep your options open for aviation is an industry with short "boom bust" cycles. A general business degree will get you into an airline, and if no jobs available in aviation when your graduate at least you can work elsewhere until a position opens up.

I myself have an aerospace engineering degree and worked my way up through the maintenance ranks into management and I have interviewed people with specialised degrees (such as transport, aviation) and I am afraid to say they have no distinct advantage to somebody holding a non specialist degree. My wife has an arts degree and she is high up in management for a major international airline running their IT division (ok she also has computer diplomas)

With your papers all you are demonstrating is your ability to think at a certain level and demonstrate the right attitude and ability to work hard independently. Basically the hiring company will teach you the skills they need as people fresh out of school do not have them and each company has a different culture.
 
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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:03 am

thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, whiskeyflyer! This is exactly the sort of inside information I need.

Paul
 
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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:59 am

So basically, a music and management joint degree for example would still make it possible to get into aviation? That would obviously widen my options even more...

Any thoughts, experience on that?

Paul
 
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RE: What To Study Aviation Related!?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:20 am

Maybe it is possible to study logistics. I studied international logistics. It is a subject interesting for airlines, but in case no airline is willing/able to take you, you can still go into shipping/trucking etc. With the experience gained there you can later on still try to apply for a job in aviation. Since the aviation industry is unstable at the best of times, this will spread your chances for work a bit better. Even if it is not necessarily in your preferred sector.
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