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MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:32 pm

I am qualified to run the apu and ride the brakes for AA on their S-80s, but does anyone either have a checklist or can just tell me how to run the packs for warm air while I'm onboard? I know I have to run the fire loop test...but after that I'm just lost....Any help?
 
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:41 pm

Quoting Flyibaby (Thread starter):
but does anyone either have a checklist or can just tell me how to run the packs for warm air while I'm onboard? I know I have to run the fire loop test...but after that I'm just lost....Any help?

i would ask someone at work to help you!
 
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:23 am

Quoting Flyibaby (Thread starter):
I am qualified to run the apu and ride the brakes for AA on their S-80s

Whats this a part approval.
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:25 am

I am sure that we could tell you how to do it. However, I feel that we would only be setting you up for a world of trouble. If something should go wrong while you were operating the packs, I don't believe that American would be very receptive of your certified Airliners.net training course. If you want more information you need to go through American to get the proper certification to run the Airconditioning Systems. This is something that they may due since it is sometimes a must to keep potable water systems from freezing on overnight A/C.

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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:57 am

Your qualified too ride brakes and operate APU ? how and why ? what kind of course or approval board have you sat, you sound like a ground handler who does things he shouldnt to me ! no offence intended but I know a fair few of em!
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:13 am

Ask any AA pilot while at work. Virtually all have spent some time on the MD.
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting A/c train (Reply 4):
Your qualified too ride brakes and operate APU ? how and why ? what kind of course or approval board have you sat, you sound like a ground handler who does things he shouldnt to me ! no offence intended but I know a fair few of em!
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I do not know the specifics of Flyibaby's situation. However, I do know that some U.S. airlines train certain ramp personal to operate the APU and ride the brakes for on field relocation purposes. This is usually done by a certified Maintenance Trainer for locations that do not have A/C maintenance.

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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:35 am

Quoting Critter (Reply 6):
However, I do know that some U.S. airlines train certain ramp personal to operate the APU and ride the brakes for on field relocation purposes. This is usually done by a certified Maintenance Trainer for locations that do not have A/C maintenance.

Bingo. I worked for a contractor that did AA's ground work, and was trained to brake-ride the MD-80; I brake-rode nearly every day I worked for the rest of the time I worked there, too, as I was one of the few who knew how to talk to ground. In fact, I still have all of the training books that they hand out during training.

When I went to work for an actual airline, only loadmaster/leads and above were trained to brake-ride the aircraft, and since I never rose up enough in the ranks to achieve that position, I never got trained on it.
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:58 am

Quoting Critter (Reply 6):
I do know that some U.S. airlines train certain ramp personal to operate the APU and ride the brakes for on field relocation purposes. This is usually done by a certified Maintenance Trainer for locations that do not have A/C maintenance.

Who Issues the Approval....FAA.
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Who Issues the Approval....FAA.

The approval to brake ride? That's provided by the trainer, who certifies that training was given to those individuals, and kept in a training log for FAA inspection. The FAA only certifies airmen, not ramp agents.
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:09 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Who Issues the Approval....FAA

The airline is required to have a FAA approved Maintenance Training program, and functions such as APU operation, brake riding, and radio operation all fall under this category. The FAA does not monitor each individual trainee, only that the program is in place. They may do spot checks to verify that there are qualified individuals to perform the required duties.

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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
That's provided by the trainer, who certifies that training was given to those individuals

Who qualifies as a trainer.Someone Approved by FAA & Familiar with the procedures.
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11):
Who qualifies as a trainer.Someone Approved by FAA & Familiar with the procedures.

The airline approves the trainer; the only thing the FAA did was give him his license so that he could get hired on at the airline. It was the experience gained at that airline that qualifies him for the trainer position.
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:56 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 7):
as I was one of the few who knew how to talk to ground. In fact, I still have all of the training books that they hand out during training.

over here at our company, tuggy's handle the radios, we just keep in contact with them!....we're supposed to listen to the radios and monitor in case the tuggy takes a wrong turn!

of course if we have a problem and the tug loses there radio we have to take over!....some stands at LGW where the tug sits in front of the nosewheel they are in a black spot for there radio, so we call up ground and get clearence and relay this onto the tuggy via the flight interphone!

we get company approval to ride brakes, pretty much anyone who wants to is aloud!
 
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:41 pm

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 13):
we get company approval to ride brakes, pretty much anyone who wants to is aloud!

Out here its still only Mx personnell in the Cockpit for Towing.
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:54 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 14):
Out here its still only Mx personnell in the Cockpit for Towing

sorry, i didnt make myself very clear....its engineers who do it, but in response to

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 7):
When I went to work for an actual airline, only loadmaster/leads and above were trained to brake-ride the aircraft, and since I never rose up enough in the ranks to achieve that position, I never got trained on it.

it doesnt matter if your a certifyer or a technician is what i meant! sorry for the confusion
 
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:26 pm

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 15):
it doesnt matter if your a certifyer or a technician is what i meant! sorry for the confusion

That certainly came out of left field. I never said anything to the contrary of what you have said.

Each country has its rules, and each company will add rules to that as well. It's just a thing of perspective.  Wink
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:48 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 16):
Each country has its rules, and each company will add rules to that as well. It's just a thing of perspective

Which will always be in conformaty to that of the Regulatory body  Smile
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:53 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 17):
Which will always be in conformaty to that of the Regulatory body

Comforming, maybe. I see it more as going above and beyond.
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:40 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 16):
That certainly came out of left field. I never said anything to the contrary of what you have said.

Each country has its rules, and each company will add rules to that as well. It's just a thing of perspective.

i know you didn't,
i was just saying.......as you had said the airline you worked for you could only ride brakes if you were at a certian level! i was just saying that at my airline we dont have to be!
sorry for any confusion!
 
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 19):
i was just saying that at my airline we dont have to be!

You didn't say that originally.

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 15):
it doesnt matter if your a certifyer or a technician is what i meant!

To me, seeing this after my quote is implying that what I had said is to the contrary of what you are saying, and then saying:

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 19):
sorry for any confusion!

This creates more confusion.


I hate going off topic, and what I'm about to say might sound a bit demeaning—and I don't mean it to be—but making clear, concise, non-conflicting sentences is what avoids confusion.
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:17 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 20):
You didn't say that originally.

yes i did

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 13):
we get company approval to ride brakes, pretty much anyone who wants to is aloud!



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 20):
To me, seeing this after my quote is implying that what I had said is to the contrary of what you are saying, and then saying:

nothing i said in reply 15 was to you, note the quote at the top, it was in reply to MEL's comment in reply 14!
 
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:29 am

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 21):
nothing i said in reply 15 was to you, note the quote at the top, it was in reply to MEL's comment in reply 14!

You may not have thought so, but putting words "In response to" right before my quote, and then putting text under my quote, implies that it is indeed in reply to my quote.
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Sun Dec 25, 2005 2:30 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 22):
You may not have thought so, but putting words "In response to" right before my quote, and then putting text under my quote, implies that it is indeed in reply to my quote

it was in reply to your quote! but not to you! lol
get over it!
 
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RE: MD80 APU/Packs Question.

Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:40 pm

Quit with the Clarification posts Folks  biggrin 
Lets talk on the topic.
Out here only Mx Personnell can Ride the brakes during towing provided they have been trained on the same.No Unlicenced personnell can operate the APU.
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