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What Are These Called?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:52 am

What is the red "tape" for? and what do you call those things that the red tape is attached to? and what are those things for? I noticed that Airbus planes seem to have more of them.


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RE: What Are These Called?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:14 am

Not sure what teh tape is for, but the "things" are called flap fairings (also called "canoe" fairings)... They essentially make the equipment that moves the flaps more aerodynamic.
 
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:16 am

The tape is on the flap track or flap actuator fairings. Often called "canoe fairings" because they form a body under and aft of the wing that resembles an aluminum canoe.

What the tape is for?

Don't know. Maybe the FAA is onboard. Always seems to result in a lot of red tape!

Someone from maintenance will show up with the answer for that.
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:33 am

The red tape is most likely high visibility marking to assist ground crew who are operating equipment around the aircraft in avoiding contacting and damaging the fairings which are lower than the rest of the wing.

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RE: What Are These Called?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:29 am

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 3):
The red tape is most likely high visibility marking to assist ground crew who are operating equipment around the aircraft in avoiding contacting and damaging the fairings which are lower than the rest of the wing.

The closest thing that could get near touching it are catering trucks, and the fueler. Belt loaders usually don't go that high up on the fuselage.
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:35 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
Belt loaders usually don't go that high up on the fuselage.

but the do sometimes pass along the back of the flaps with the baggage carts
 
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting Nonfirm (Reply 5):
but the do sometimes pass along the back of the flaps with the baggage carts

They aren't an issue with the A320. The carts can go right under the wing outboard of the engine. Also, belt loaders don't tow baggage carts, as that's the tug's job. The belt loader is to be kept at it's lowest position until the driver positions it at the cargo door.

Now, the 737, and MD-80, yeah, that would be of concern.
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:32 pm

It appears it's a reflective tape, to seen at nite, but usually the flaps are retracted at the terminal area, so it wouldn't be too visible. What airline is this?
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:18 pm

Flap track Fairings.They give an Aerodynamic covering to the TE Flap mechanism on the Wing.
The Tape is a reflective tape that helps being noticed when light falls on it to avoid impact.
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:30 pm

For the deicing guys maybe ?

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RE: What Are These Called?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:22 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
as that's the tug's job

sorry there i meant to say the ground crew
 
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:55 pm

Quoting Sfomb67 (Reply 7):
but usually the flaps are retracted at the terminal area

Normally the Trailing Edge cone area is covered red.
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
Don't know. Maybe the FAA is onboard. Always seems to result in a lot of red tape!

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RE: What Are These Called?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
Don't know. Maybe the FAA is onboard. Always seems to result in a lot of red tape!

The FAA does not mind cutting red tape as long as it is lengthwise.

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RE: What Are These Called?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:41 am

It's a more affordable version of duct tape  Wink
 
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:35 am

An interesting fact about flap track fairings is that in addition to reducing profile drag (as would be expected) they also reduce transonic wave drag by brining the area distribution of the aircraft closer to ideal.

Source: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/q0240.shtml

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RE: What Are These Called?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:47 am

The tape is reflective. It's intended to mark the flap fairings at night, so that pallet loaders don't hit the fairings. Belt loaders aren't as much of a concern, since the wings are relatively high. Does it happen anyway? Of course.

The bowser (fuelling truck) doesn't go behind the wing, so it's not for them. De-icers, I'm not sure where they park when doing A320's.
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:53 am

Thier called vortex genera... sorry, right answer for the wrong "what's this?" question.
 
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:15 am

The red tape is an indication of the flap extension. The pilot can look out the pax window and see where the flaps are. This works because the flaps move mainly rearwards on a screwjack, while the canoe flap fairing is pivoted at the front and moves down. It must be there if there is a flap indication failure in the flight deck. I remember it long ago on TriStars, but have not seen it lately.
As a matter of interest if you look out the window of a TriStar (if you are lucky enough to be flying in one) you will see a small pin come out of the upper wing surface when the undercarriage is down. It is a manual indication. They don't have them nowadays, rely on duplicated sensors instaed.
 
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:34 am

The red tape is an indication of the flap extension. The pilot can look out the pax window and see where the flaps are.

Is the pilot standing on the wingtip when he does this? Because the tape goes all the way around. It's to prevent the fairings from being struck by vehicles on the ground.
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 18):
As a matter of interest if you look out the window of a TriStar (if you are lucky enough to be flying in one) you will see a small pin come out of the upper wing surface when the undercarriage is down. It is a manual indication. They don't have them nowadays, rely on duplicated sensors instaed.

MD-11s have an equivalent little pin.
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RE: What Are These Called?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 18):
The red tape is an indication of the flap extension

What you are talking about is can be seen here:

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The mark on the flap track support box is yellow marked "flap" and the # gradients are marked on the flap surface itself (not visible until flap deployed)
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Quoting 320tech (Reply 16):
pallet loaders

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RE: What Are These Called?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:49 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
The closest thing that could get near touching it are catering trucks, and the fueler.


Fuelers and catering trucks have been known to impact flap track fairings.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
They aren't an issue with the A320. The carts can go right under the wing outboard of the engine

This may be true with the flaps retracted, but it IS an issue when mtc has the flaps extended for whatever reason and ground personnel who are used to having the clearance you stated, drive under the wing only to experience a very rude awakening. I've seen it happen on the 757 which has a higher wing than the A320. The stripes ARE there for as a visibility aid for the ground crews.

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RE: What Are These Called?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:00 pm

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
Don't know. Maybe the FAA is onboard. Always seems to result in a lot of red tape!



Quoting Okie (Reply 13):
The FAA does not mind cutting red tape as long as it is lengthwise.



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 14):
It's a more affordable version of duct tape

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RE: What Are These Called?

Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 22):
Fuelers and catering trucks have been known to impact flap track fairings.

The Door Frame is a particular target of Catering trucks.
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RE: What Are These Called?

Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:18 am

Thank you all for your answers to my questions.
 
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RE: What Are These Called?

Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:35 am

The red tape is there so that the ground crews can see the canoe fairings when the flaps are lowered

they are sometimes lowered for maintenance reasons, and you wouldn't believe how complacent some people get in their jobs, and would just run into them assuming that they were up.
 
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RE: What Are These Called?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:52 am

Sorry for bringing up a dead thread.

You have to look at on a Airline to Airline basis. AC uses Containerized cargo on the 320 and 321 with the LD-3-45's. AC was going to use it on the 319, but AC Cargo did not want the containerized system. Since AC uses containers, it need belt loaders to do this.

In the early days of the 320's in AC's fleet many employees driving the loader would accidentally run into the canoe farrings and bust them right off causing delays. In turn, AC put red tape around all of them. You will not see this tape on the Left side of the aircraft, only on the right. You will also not find them on the A321 or A319 in AC's fleet.

KLM has orange blurbs on the end of there farrings on the 747-400M's.
 
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RE: What Are These Called?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:16 am

Quoting 320tech (Reply 16):
The tape is reflective. It's intended to mark the flap fairings at night, so that pallet loaders don't hit the fairings. Belt loaders aren't as much of a concern, since the wings are relatively high. Does it happen anyway? Of course.

The bowser (fuelling truck) doesn't go behind the wing, so it's not for them. De-icers, I'm not sure where they park when doing A320's.

You are correct. The red tape is a warning for the cargo loaders. You will only notice it on the Right Hand flap fairings, because that is where the cargo door is. See the attached photo:

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RE: What Are These Called?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:27 pm

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 27):
will not see this tape on the Left side of the aircraft, only on the right

Interesting Point.Makes sense.
Thanks.
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