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New Type Pilot - FO

Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:44 pm

The A380 is coming soon.
From what I read in this forum, the most common progression is to become FO of the smallest type in the fleet, until you reach the biggest type, and become captain of the smallest type, and start climbing again...
What about the up-and-coming A380? How are the crews selected?
It doesn't happen very often that a new aircraft type is introduced. Normally it's variants and evolutions. Not just a new class of aircraft. How are the crews selected?
Any comments appreciated.

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RE: New Type Pilot - FO

Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:50 pm

Pilots at an airline bid on it like any other aircraft. If they have high enough senority (and select it) they will go straight into the left seat. If they don't have the senority, they likely bid the F/O position.
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RE: New Type Pilot - FO

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:00 pm

It shouldn't be any different with the A380. So presumably the normal career development path would apply, with the A380 becoming the top of the chain.

Pilots are continually assessed during there careers, so the training captains in the airline will have a good idea of who to select, and which volunteers to reject.
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RE: New Type Pilot - FO

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:39 pm

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 2):
Pilots are continually assessed during there careers, so the training captains in the airline will have a good idea of who to select, and which volunteers to reject.

Most airlines who fly the A380 have strict pilot seniority. This means that it's not up to the training captains to select who flies the A380, but it just comes down to your place on the list.

The ones who are most likely to go straight into the A380 left seat are widebody captains on other types, usually on the biggest type in the fleet. For example, at Air France, look for 744 and A340 captains to move to the A380. For FOs, it will most likely be narrowbody captains (A320/737) and widebody FOs that will go to the A380 right seat.

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RE: New Type Pilot - FO

Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:09 pm

Quoting Videns (Thread starter):
From what I read in this forum, the most common progression is to become FO of the smallest type in the fleet, until you reach the biggest type, and become captain of the smallest type, and start climbing again...

I believe with most US airlines, the pilots can opt to remain an FO and progress up the "chain" to bigger a/c, or, they can opt to become Capt. and then progress up the "chain" that way. I dont think they have to start over at the bottom once they become Capt. That said, Im sure the normal career path will apply, just as others have stated.
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RE: New Type Pilot - FO

Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 4):
I believe with most US airlines, the pilots can opt to remain an FO and progress up the "chain" to bigger a/c, or, they can opt to become Capt. and then progress up the "chain" that way. I dont think they have to start over at the bottom once they become Capt

Bidding for aircraft and captain vacancies is predicated solely on company seniority (in the US anyway). That list is subdivided into a seniority list for captains and one for F/Os. Once you upgrade to captain, you go to the bottom of that seniority list and become the junior captain in that fleet type. So, in a sense they do 'start over at the bottom'. A senior F/O may fly the 777 or 747, but their seniority can only hold MD80 or 737 CA once they upgrade. If a F/O waits a while after they can hold a captain vacancy before they actually bid it, then they will go in above the bottom of the list, not at the bottom, as others junior to them will have upgraded out of company seniority order when they took the first available upgrade. Some pilots chose put off upgrade so they don't have to sit reserve and will get a hard line as they will have others under them who upgraded when they passed it over. (Others put off upgrade as QOL is very good as a senior F/O compared to a junior CA).

Also, if a widebody vacancy happens to be available at the time, a new hire F/O can go straight into that vacancy. All depends on what vacancies are available at any given time and how many pilots have a bid in for a given fleet type.

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