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Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:54 am

What is the deal with passengers bringing baggage the size of dump trucks onto completely full flights? The airlines' regulations are clearly posted, and most of them have helpful signage to allow people to make sure a bag will fit in the overhead storage properly. Whose job is it to stop them from bringing much larger bags on board?

Many airlines' seating order appears to favor the front of the plane first, followed by window seats. Anyone with an aisle seat beyond the middle of the plane has a pretty low chance of getting an overhead spot for their bag. I fly very frequently, and have become a preferred member of the frequent traveler programs of the airlines I fly most, so I get to board first in most cases. But, even my business associates who fly often, but not necessarily 3-4 times a month like I do, have a low probability of getting a reasonably-sized bag on board.

I've heard it's supposed to be enforced by airport security, but as I said I fly very often, and I have never seen a security screener reject a passenger's bag due to size in any airport anywhere. Even if security drops the ball, why can't the gate agents do something? And beyond them, the flight attendants? They're just going to have to check bags later and risk a late departure if bags don't fit the way they're designed to.

Just a pet peeve of mine, but I'd be interested to hear the observations of those closer to part 121 ops than me (as a passenger).
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RE: Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:53 pm

Three words:

Lack of enforcement

It's the airlines' job to monitor it's aircraft and the luggage on it.

The security screeners' jobs are to search bags for guns/weapons/bombs, and not verify the size. As long as it fits in the scanner they don't care how big it is.

That said, I've only carried all my bags onboard once, and that was because I had a :35 connection in ORD. I hate carrying all that stuff through the airport.

[Edited 2006-04-30 05:54:35]
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RE: Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:17 pm

Outhere with some Airclines At the Check in counter.There is a Specified Size container.The Hand baggage/Cabin Baggage is placed in the container to confirm it adheres to the corect size.
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RE: Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Mon May 01, 2006 12:51 am

This probably belongs in the regular civil aviation forum, btw ...

However - every airline I've been on has "size-wise" units at the gatehouses. These are, as described above, metal contraptions that correspond to the lengh, width, and height allowed for carry-on baggage.

I have seen these used exactly ONCE, when a guy made a fuss about being forced to gate-check a massive duffel bag. And yes, it didn't fit.

That's in hundreds of airline flights spread across most of the US carriers.

There's got to be some sort of compromise that can be reached between the workloads of the gatehouse agents and the need to restrict these oversize bags.

The thing that scares me the most, is when people stuff those things in the overhead bins and have to push like hell to get the lid to close.

One really good bump of turbulence and that thing's gonna pop open like a jack-in-the-box. One reason I hardly ever, if possible, take aisle seats.

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RE: Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Mon May 01, 2006 2:16 am

Quoting Bri2k1 (Thread starter):
Just a pet peeve of mine

Ditto. I usually only have a small rucksack that fits easily under the seat and a jacket. I don't know how many times I've ended up stuffing the jacket beside my seat because, as you say, so many people bring suitcases on board and use up several people's space. I've never seen the restrictions enforced.

I always thought it would be cool if the security scanner system had some high powered lasers that chopped off the excess.  Smile
 
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RE: Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Mon May 01, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting Litz (Reply 3):
This probably belongs in the regular civil aviation forum, btw ...

I desperately wanted to avoid it, so I'm appealing to the operational nature of this forum, with regard to who's dropping the ball. Thanks for the replies!
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RE: Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Mon May 01, 2006 6:58 am

I think part of the problem with these people is change. I personally either bring a newspaper on board or a backpack which fits perfectly under the seat. My dad however, for years has been bringing one of those roller bags onto the aircraft which easily fits in any overhead bin, but does not always pass the airlines size check. What's changed is that you used to be able to take on larger bags and not everyone has adjusted to that yet.
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RE: Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Mon May 01, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting LH463 (Reply 6):
What's changed is that you used to be able to take on larger bags and not everyone has adjusted to that yet.

But I've been experiencing this for over 30 years!

Quoting LH463 (Reply 6):
My dad however, for years has been bringing one of those roller bags onto the aircraft which easily fits in any overhead bin, but does not always pass the airlines size check.

My dad takes... a newspaper and a pocket-sized radio.  Smile

I'm not convinced it's an olden days thing.
 
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RE: Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Mon May 01, 2006 9:24 am

On the one hand:
- I hate seeing the enormous carry-ons being packed into the bins.

On the other hand:
- I used fly an average of 2 segments a week. Checking luggage would have cost me at least an hour a week, not to mention the likelihood of loss. I can understand not checking luggage. It's one thing not having fresh clothes on vacation, but for three days of meetings?

On the gripping hand:
- In my experience, the worst offenders tend to be non-frequent travelers. I'm not saying road warriors don't have large bags, it's just that we tend to have bags that comply with the regs and know how to stow them and sit down before you can blink. My bag looks "large" but it fits lengthwise into deep bins (with about a nanomillimeter to spare) and otherwise complies with the regs, even with the clip-on backpack. I have seen "tourists" cram their three wicker basket bags (open top, no less) into a bin, then put a hat next to them. Half an hour later, the line gets moving again. Another favorite is the petite lady with the enormous bag who asks the F/A to help. Look lady, if you can't lift it into the bin yourself, don't roll it aboard! These are the people holding up boarding and taking all the bins.

So it's not all about the size of the bag. It's also about the person carrying it and if they know how to stow it.
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RE: Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Mon May 01, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting Bri2k1 (Thread starter):
Many airlines' seating order appears to favor the front of the plane first, followed by window se

At AA it's to be First Class, Business Class (if present), Exec. Platinum, Platinum and Gold, and finally monkey class starting with the back.

On narrowbodies, this gives a bit of a clog at the start, but generally works out ok.
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RE: Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Mon May 01, 2006 12:25 pm

I'm a PPL but don't fly on airliners often. However last weekend the gf and I went from MCO to PHX on Southwest. Had relatively early boarding for the first 3 legs but at Alburque we were almost the very last of C to board. At the end of the jetway at the door of the 737 starting several people ahead of us the FA's were telling people they would have to check their carry on, as the plane was full and there was no more room for carry on if it wasn't stowable below your seat. Fortunately mine was, but a lady ahead of us was deeming this 'unacceptable' and making a fuss. To make matters worse as we made our way to the back of the already loaded plane there was several spaces in the bins empty, big spaces, so the order seemed a bit contrived. However I do agree with the other posters that I have never seen the size limit enforced yet I only parked my metal camera case in the bins, others however were definitely taking advantage of the lack of oversight.
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RE: Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Mon May 01, 2006 8:56 pm

Quoting Bri2k1 (Thread starter):
I've heard it's supposed to be enforced by airport security, but as I said I fly very often, and I have never seen a security screener reject a passenger's bag due to size in any airport anywhere.

Fly AA out of SFO. The first screener in the line will tell you that cannot be carried on. I have seen it several times, but only AA/SFO.

I travel with with a lap-top case and a small roll-on travel case. It fits even in AA 767 overhead bins, so it is small. For the same reasons Starlionblue posted I do not like checking in bags. Vacations are a different matter, bags go in the hold.

FA's should say something, especially when you see someone shoe-horning a huge bag into the overhead, the old two pound salami in a one pound bag trick. The other thing I notice are people that are seated in the ass-end putting their bags in the first class bins.
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RE: Inappropriately Sized Carry-on Bags

Tue May 02, 2006 1:01 am

What is the motivation for the airlines to enforce this? Apparantly none.

When we travel the only things we don't check are her purse, my camera bag, and one small bag with any needed valuables and everything we need for a one night layover in case of a cancelled flight or lost or delayed bags. This way, if we lose our bags, all we lose are clothes.

We don't check things that are irreplaceable but try not to travel with items like that anyway, who needs the stress? We don't carry on any more than we have to, out of respect for others. I wish more people would just check their damn bags.

It's not like theres anything irreplaceable in those bags! And if there is I think the travelers judgment may be in question. If you have something valuable to transport, use FedEx or UPS and insure the damn thing.
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